Conspiracy??

[gmbler]

I say most emptiers I can remember (starting with fair ground) were all a plan at the corporate Director level to create hoards of people who can make a living playing fruit machines. These people will then revolve their lives around fruit machines, spread their habit to their mates and any other punter / barman looking over their shoulder and use up all the payout percentage of other machines which again helps the guys at the top and still carry on playing machines for the rest of their life even when they can no longer empty them.

Does this mean that every player was actually part of Mr Barcrests etc. plan or conspiracy and is not actually beating the system but is part of it?

[pickareel]

dont care,aslong as i make my money

[JG]

Too hyper differential. I cannot believe the aspect that emptiers were created to create a player that would stay on longer than they should. Probably not to spread an urban myth but most definitely just so an elite can empty at will.
Interesting post anyhow, most emptiers deliberate imo.

[red22]

well if thats the case they are fools , i have certainly made a decent living and in my opinion most toolers are ex players or certainly bought into the game by ex players, if they incorporated emptiers for this purpose it has backfired in a big way.

IMO emptiers were and continue to be made by greedy programmers who want to top up there 50k a year or whatever it is.... not complaining though.

[gmbler]

Has anyone spoken to a programmer who got sacked for inputting such codes?

[anfield road]

dont care,aslong as i make my money

Too right!

[anfield road]

Has anyone spoken to a programmer who got sacked for inputting such codes?

Doubt it, If I was to prgram an emptier in say power 5 for example then I would say it was a programming error.....not really much the courts could say is there?..

[Stopnstep]

Can you really see dirctors santioning their company to lose thousands of pounds??? The majority of emptiers are accidental or come from the lack of experience from the programmer/tester. These things cost companies a shed load and their reputation, do you really think they are put in on purpose? There have obviously been dodgy programmers in the past but not sure if they would last long if they got found out nowdays.

[Mr McStreak]

In my opinion Power of 5 came about because the programmers wrote a short cut into the software, in order to test the dond feature, and they simply left it in.

As for P1 dials...well, they couldn't have been as naive as to think that they didn't need to block winstopper AT ALL could they??????? It wasn't as if people weren't going to master it.

Free wins on machines are fairly easy to cover up as being accidental, but thunderbird, supercharged...... No way!!

I remember two programmers getting jail time for putting a 12 button code into the original cops and robbers, the old skool amongst us will surely remember this. It was in the papers even.

[aaamusements.co.uk]

I believe that Barcrest funded the invisible missile attacks on the World Trade Centre.

[betchrider]

I believe that Barcrest funded the invisible missile attacks on the World Trade Centre.

Cue mike82

[Mystery_Plum]

I say most emptiers I can remember (starting with fair ground) were all a plan at the corporate Director level to create hoards of people who can make a living playing fruit machines. These people will then revolve their lives around fruit machines, spread their habit to their mates and any other punter / barman looking over their shoulder and use up all the payout percentage of other machines which again helps the guys at the top and still carry on playing machines for the rest of their life even when they can no longer empty them.

Does this mean that every player was actually part of Mr Barcrests etc. plan or conspiracy and is not actually beating the system but is part of it?

It's a touch fanciful to suggest something like this don't you think?

I mean, it would be of no benefit whatsoever for a Director of a major manufacturer to arrange for a bug to be left in a game. Directors don't even get involved at software or testing level; they're too busy sitting in meetings or out doing their backs in on the golf-course. All they're interested in is selling product and keeping the company afloat.

Deliberately coding an emptier into a game involves a bent software engineer and that's about it. They then have to hope that the testing department doesn't pick it up, and that if anyone checks the code, they don't spot it. The software gets released, the game goes out on site, and Bob's your Monkhouse, a select few line their pockets for a few weeks or months until they get sloppy in a pub one night and an eagle-eyed player spots what they're doing, or they flog the info to someone.

Usually the Sales Dept. will be breathing down everyone's neck to get the game through test and out of the door - they can't pick up the phone and take orders if there's no product out there you see...and when it's all ready to go I would suggest that the last thing a company would do is sit down at Board level and arrange for a back-door in the code to be put in, so they can piss their customers off a few weeks or months down the line...

And this is how bugs get left in software. It's all a big rush to get the game out there, so it doesn't get properly tested amid all the pressure. And then you end up wasting more time having to go back and sort the bugs out, while meanwhile the company's reputation goes down the fucking toilet.

The Fairground Coconut Shy bug was a piece of test code left in by mistake. I know this for a fact. The testers had to test the feature thoroughly and get each possible win to make sure the game didn't crash or fuck up in some way. They got fed up trying to get the jackpot from Coconut Shy, so a button frig was added in so they could easily get it and make sure it paid the correct amount. And then they forgot to take it out.

Lots of bugs get left in this way, it's just human error.

Mind you, some get put in on purpose. Some guy coded in a way of making the streak pot dump it's load on a lot of the MAB lo-tech stuff. Insert 23 credits and tap in a button code and away you go, or something like that. He ended up in prison eventually for credit card fraud I think. Then he got out, threw his girlfriend through a window a few months later and got banged up again.

[betchrider]

I say most emptiers I can remember (starting with fair ground) were all a plan at the corporate Director level to create hoards of people who can make a living playing fruit machines. These people will then revolve their lives around fruit machines, spread their habit to their mates and any other punter / barman looking over their shoulder and use up all the payout percentage of other machines which again helps the guys at the top and still carry on playing machines for the rest of their life even when they can no longer empty them.

Does this mean that every player was actually part of Mr Barcrests etc. plan or conspiracy and is not actually beating the system but is part of it?

It's a touch fanciful to suggest something like this don't you think?

I mean, it would be of no benefit whatsoever for a Director of a major manufacturer to arrange for a bug to be left in a game. Directors don't even get involved at software or testing level]
Was 4 credits and he got banged up for puttin bets on horses on internet after they had won.Was a top mt which i think never got to more than 5 people(ill stick my neck out there as im 1 of em)

[bigpokercouk]

I believe that Barcrest funded the invisible missile attacks on the World Trade Centre.

i knew he had something to hide that sly barcrest man

[gmbler]

So tubes are visible by the reels for a long time, JPM / impulse / ACE show numbers which mean they are playing, refill key slots stay external on machines to this day, and Barcrest have a bug in about 60% of all machines they release whereas JPM constantly have minimul bugs but consistent systems which are profitable as scams, then bell fruit start having a run of these bugs (when their old stock was virtually clean), vivid had a rigid system for making money on most of their early releases.......

At the very least they have given pros a large helping hand and now the stabalisers are coming off?