Â£3 in. What to take out?

mr2nut · Post by **mr2nut** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:28 pm

Hi guys. I'm still quite a newb to gambling so don't laugh

Basically, if I put 2-3quid in a fruity, most times you find you will get onto the board and once you get to 2-3quid on the side, does taking that and putting it back in essentially double what you have put in, or does the machine register that it's just payed out a part of what it is ready to pay out? An example below...

I put 3quid in a machine, I get on the board and i've got 3quid yellow cash down the side. Normally I get kicked off if I take anything more than 4-5quid and lose it all. If I were to take 3quid out and put it straight back in, does the machine think i've put 6quid in and move further along the strip towards the bigger payouts, or does it simply take the 3quid back and it's asif you've only put 3quid in all along and are getting nowhere?

prizeguy · Post by **prizeguy** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:30 pm

If you put £3 in and take £3 out and put it in again the meters of the machine will be £6 in £3 out. The £3 in £3 out scenerio is a good example how machines can level off their % without ever really paying out as if it does this for a while, it is having payout rate of 100% and thus can bump its overall % upto its target

bigv038 · Post by **bigv038** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:31 pm

you should buy the fruit machine ebook from ebay, that will tell you all you need to know about winning and collecting £3 / £4 wins

mr2nut · Post by **mr2nut** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:00 am

bigv038 wrote:you should buy the fruit machine ebook from ebay, that will tell you all you need to know about winning and collecting £3 / £4 wins

You got a link to the one I need off eBay or anyone got this ebook by any chance?

Oli · Post by **Oli** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:27 pm

Putting £3 in and collecting £3 actually makes the machine WORSE off then before you put your £3 in. Not the same, and not better.

Let me explain: When you put your £3 in, the % payout of the machine will be adjusted. I.E, it will drop a bit. For arguments sake, lets say the machine is set to a 75% payout but is at 70% BEFORE you put the £3 in.

You put the £3 in and the % drops to 65%. That £3 you put in has had a positive outcome, as the machine is now ready to pay out more than it was before you put your £3 in. If you then get on the board and collect a £3 win, when the coins are dispensed the % payout will rise (because the machine has paid out). IT WILL NOT RISE BACK UP TO 70%. It will go higher than that to about 72%-73%. (Because the machine is not on a 100% payout. Its on 75% which means it will only pay out 3 quarters of what was put in.) So now your in the same situation you started with, as you haven't lost or won anything but the machine is now at a higher % payout, meaning the machine is ready to pay out less then it was before. Get it?

Just because you collect £3 and put it back in, does not mean the machine will be ready to pay out £3 again. If this were the case, the machine would never make any money as its constentely matching what the player has put in!

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:50 pm

lol; very badly explained, but the facts remain the same. I seriously doubt that the £3 will make a big difference in the grand scheme of things, nor do I think this guy cares about the actual 0.01% change in the machines percentage!

mr2nut · Post by **mr2nut** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:41 pm

[quote="theoak"]lol]

Thanks for replies. See I was told by a few people, that behind the scenes, it's more like a sequence and the more that goes in, the further you will move along the sequence towards the bigger payouts so putting your small winnings back in will hopefully get you nearer the jackpot. Now I didn't know whether to believe this or not and going by your posts, it seems like this isn't right...or is it?

Nixxy · Post by **Nixxy** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:36 pm

mr2nut wrote:Thanks for replies. See I was told by a few people, that behind the scenes, it's more like a sequence and the more that goes in, the further you will move along the sequence towards the bigger payouts so putting your small winnings back in will hopefully get you nearer the jackpot. Now I didn't know whether to believe this or not and going by your posts, it seems like this isn't right...or is it?

I see what you're saying - but don't think of a Fruit Machine like a prize conveyor-belt, because it doesn't work like that...

In short, collecting a small win in most circumstances will delay the offering of a bigger win.

Have a look at the next machine you play: it will probably have a 78% average payout level, based on a massive number of credits being played through it. So - if 10,000 credits are played, the machine will have taken in £3000 (at 30p stake) and should, in line with average payout percentage, pay out approximately £2300-odd in that time. This is why fruities are such lucrative business for pubs and the like.

When you collect a small win, you're pushing the machine closer to achieving the target payout percentage, which is a bad thing! Rejecting the smaller wins, and not getting lumbered with fiddly Safe Cash wins that set the machine back, all help move you towards the bigger prizes as the machine needs to compensate you more for the growing gap in percentage.

Does this make sense? lol

Going back to your original comment - taking the smaller wins and recycling them back through the machine results in the machine barely deviating from its current payout percentage, so it'd take a lot, lot longer to see the big wins that you wanna see.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:57 am

Agree with what's being said here, but I guess the only time when it would be wise to collect the smaller wins and recycle is on a cyclical machine, such as some of the BFM offerings.

Although having said that, a wise man would not touch a BFM, so it's purely academic...

mr2nut · Post by **mr2nut** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:23 am

Cheers for taking the time to explain guys, I was expecting a load of "hah, u dont av a clu ow to play gamblers do ya mate" replies

Now I realise that safe cash is a waste of time i'll start looking at going for 5-6quid rather than my original 3quid back.

theoak · Post by **theoak** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:19 am

[quote="Matt Vinyl"]Agree with what's being said here, but I guess the only time when it would be wise to collect the smaller wins and recycle is on a cyclical machine, such as some of the BFM offerings.

Although having said that, a wise man would not touch a BFM, so it's purely academic... ]The extreme cash pot streaks work on cycles too!

Dunhamzzz · Post by **Dunhamzzz** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:00 pm

On progressive machines (ie, Reds, Barcrests, and to extent Globals, Cool Games etc),

recycling wins is the worst thing you can do.

You burn all value out of a machine and leave it dead even though the machine hasn't physically paid out much in the end.

Nothing worse than seeing some1 milking a red and recycling, thinking the m/c will give them a chance at JP or something.... pussys.

Makes me laugh when ever 10/15 minutes you hear the notemech whirrr because they are getting no where!
Eventually ppl who do this cave in and always try to push for the larget wins, but get absolutely raped due to the fact they'be been recycling wins.

bigv038 · Post by **bigv038** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:06 pm

dont you find when they do get forced and played properly after tho they streak perfectly?