PUB BANNINGS NUMBER REASON PLACE LENGTH

[cool]

(1) Pot Black Snooker club Southampton . length 5yrs plus. reason manager said knew what I did so everybody else could play the machine except me. Yeah like engaging brain to win money is to be discouraged -T**T! A few months later an employee of his was allegedly sacked for stealing several hundred pounds to feed fruit machine addiction . Result well pleased.Current machine unknown.
(2) New Bridge Inn woolston Southampton. length 1yrs plus. reason manager thought I was doing something dodgy by using shrapnel to dislodge pound coins from machine. When proven otherwise refused to apologise and let me return. If The Sun were to run a contest vote for the thickest publican in Britain. I'd nominate him if he's still there.
(3) White Swan Totton nr Southampton . length of ban 1yr plus . reason make up your own mind. Walked into the pub and the landlord said youre that guy who buys a j20 and wins on the machine. now F**k off. Much merriment later as somebody walked into pub with fake firearm and scared shitless (customers who I feel sorry for and landlord who I dont - much merriment )and no it wasnt me.Current machine Gamesnet.
(4) Litten Tree Bournemouth. Length of ban 9months. reason unknown . Police said publican thought I was fiddling the machine , by the time it left the media dept of The Laurel Pub Company it had metamorphosed into protecting the interests of other customers.current machine Itbox.S**M.

[Scott]

your not on your own mate, i've been barred from no end off pubs for winning on fruit machines [not clever enough too play quiz m/c's] been told not too use phone whilst playing the machine, been accused off putting special codes into it and lots off other bullshit reasons.

just part of the game i'm afraid

[leonardo1]

(1) Pot Black Snooker club Southampton . length 5yrs plus. reason manager said knew what I did so everybody else could play the machine except me. Yeah like engaging brain to win money is to be discouraged -T**T!

So you think pubs are charities? No-one is obliged to take your custom, if you don't like it get on yer bike and play somewhere else. Non-profitable customers are to be discouraged in any business.

[cool]

ill have to come and play the machines in Maidenhead then . From your attitude you obviously dont have a lot of ability! Explain how visiting a pub once every 3 months affects the pubs takings. Im yet to see the headline Pub company goes into receivership due to quiz pro.I do agree with one point though , a number of pubs a run solely for profit ,customers are just cattle. How many pubs do you go in where you are hit full in the face with cannabis smoke that the publican is apparently oblivous to and yet when you start winning on the machine he or she is watching you like a hawk!

[Terry Tibbs]

(1) Pot Black Snooker club Southampton . length 5yrs plus. reason manager said knew what I did so everybody else could play the machine except me. Yeah like engaging brain to win money is to be discouraged -T**T! A few months later an employee of his was allegedly sacked for stealing several hundred pounds to feed fruit machine addiction . Result well pleased.Current machine unknown.
(2) New Bridge Inn woolston Southampton. length 1yrs plus. reason manager thought I was doing something dodgy by using shrapnel to dislodge pound coins from machine. When proven otherwise refused to apologise and let me return. If The Sun were to run a contest vote for the thickest publican in Britain. I'd nominate him if he's still there.
(3) White Swan Totton nr Southampton . length of ban 1yr plus . reason make up your own mind. Walked into the pub and the landlord said youre that guy who buys a j20 and wins on the machine. now F**k off. Much merriment later as somebody walked into pub with fake firearm and scared shitless (customers who I feel sorry for and landlord who I dont - much merriment )and no it wasnt me.Current machine Gamesnet.
(4) Litten Tree Bournemouth. Length of ban 9months. reason unknown . Police said publican thought I was fiddling the machine , by the time it left the media dept of The Laurel Pub Company it had metamorphosed into protecting the interests of other customers.current machine Itbox.S**M.

Without slagging off Publicans you have to see it from their persepctive. Running a pub is a very difficult way of earning a living nower days. Machine income is integral to their survival and without this many would struggle to keep their heads above water. Now we all know that your doing nothing untoward by winning and over the years you, like many others on this forum, have tuned it into an effective way of earning money.
They dont understand how someone can win on such regular occassions and basically to them your walking into their pub putting virtually nothing into their till and walking out with £20 or more from the machine that pays for them to eat. maybe thats a bit of and exageration but its how pub managers see it.

all they need is educating really. but knowing a few pub owners/ tenants myself Pro Players are seen with distain solely because they dont put much in the till and take loads out of the machines (reducing their own income).

Im not having a go, i'm just offering a perspective i've come across before and it has a degree of validity.

[QuizMaster]

Bans are an occupational hazard. Even as a hard core pro, there is no way you can justify going into a pub 200 miles from your home town, buying a pint, and taking £40 out of a machine. I'd also estimate that I've been banned from less than 1% of the pubs I've been to over the years, mainly because:

1/ Most managers don't care cos the breweries keep all the money
2/ Some gaffers are genuinely impressed with my ability
3/ It's not good public relations to ban somebody for winning on a machine, as long as they don't take the piss

On the odd occassion where I've had a particularly obnoxious landlord who has threatened me and/or switched the machine off mid game so I can't collect the dough I take one of two options:

1/ If it's local, I work out when his day off his and go back then (gaffers take it personally - staff don't). Most landlords don't work on Wednesday afternoons.

2/ Tell another pro to go and give the machine a whack.

The J20 is a dead giveaway by the way. Better to buy a pint and leave it.

[cool]

of course I can justify it! Last year I was on holiday in Blackpool. Should I stay out of the pubs there of course not! There is not a pre-requisite of buying alcohol when playing a quiz machine. Youll be suggesting asbo's for quiz machine players next.A j20 shouldnt arouse anybodys suspicion as I am doing nothing wrong. I should be able to travel anywhere that I want to in this country and do what I want as long as its legal.We live in a democracy.How many publicans have prevented mugs from filling up fruit machines and referred them to GAMCARE?Thought not - nought.Its the battle of man versus machine - the third party (manager) should stay out of it and get on with running their pub.

[Terry Tibbs]

of course I can justify it! Last year I was on holiday in Blackpool. Should I stay out of the pubs there of course not! There is not a pre-requisite of buying alcohol when playing a quiz machine. Youll be suggesting asbo's for quiz machine players next.A j20 shouldnt arouse anybodys suspicion as I am doing nothing wrong. I should be able to travel anywhere that I want to in this country and do what I want as long as its legal.We live in a democracy.How many publicans have prevented mugs from filling up fruit machines and referred them to GAMCARE?Thought not - nought.Its the battle of man versus machine - the third party (manager) should stay out of it and get on with running their pub.

you are invited by the publican into the pub - you dont have the right to go in there at all. S/he has the right to allow you in or decide whether to serve you. Thats where you've got this all wrong. everything in the pub is provided for the service of the patrons. the fact is Pro's dont treat a pub this way. they go ion specifically to play the machines and secondly, only if they have to, buy a drink to quell suspicion. you dont go into a pub to socialise with friends, have a drink etc you go in to make as much money as you can. I dont have a problem with this but you can understand why some pubs do. If you cannot see this then your very much deluded and lack repsect for the pubs and their managers.

your a guest on their premises so like it or not they can tell you to sod off if they dont like the fact your spending £1.50 and leaving with £20-£40

is it fair? no it isnt but its a fact.

Machine income means alot to pub managers and if your honest you wouldnt like someone walking into your house raiding your fridge, cupboards etc and leaving £2 on the table for you. may not be how you see it but its how they see it.

like i previoulsy said im not having a go but remember without pubs you would struggle to earn what you do, they wouldnt struggle without you. so a few take issue but you should be able to see why and perhaps remember this when your having a rant at someone who's watching you take all 'his' money.

[cool]

you are right about them allowing you on their premises of course , the system exists because it suits the pub industry and the Police who are in each other pockets , not the customer. I agree with you that it might not put a smile on a landlords face to see someone drop 20pounds but the machine should be there for everybody regardless of ability. There are probably only a handful of people who can make a reasonable amount of money from swp's they should be tolerated if not accepted.It makes me laugh when a manager of say the Litten Tree in Bournemouth says its 'his' pub. Its the companies pub he merely runs it for his employers.You do not have to justify a visit to a pub with a reason , and not every visit results in success. SWP income is insignificant to apub compared to awp.If it was every pub would have one. By inference if 99% of pub managers accept people like me (I would put it higher than that!)it shows what sort of lowlife the other 1% are.

[leonardo1]

ill have to come and play the machines in Maidenhead then . From your attitude you obviously dont have a lot of ability!

Actually I'm the best player at Itbox Soccer in the country bar none- I'm the best player at Boggle in the country bar one. I'm pretty good at lots of other games too. Come to Maidenhead you'll see some of my very bestest scores.

Explain how visiting a pub once every 3 months affects the pubs takings. Im yet to see the headline Pub company goes into receivership due to quiz pro.I do agree with one point though , a number of pubs a run solely for profit ,customers are just cattle. How many pubs do you go in where you are hit full in the face with cannabis smoke that the publican is apparently oblivous to and yet when you start winning on the machine he or she is watching you like a hawk!

I've not seen anyone smoke cannabis in a pub for a long time - then again I don't visit the sort of dives you do. I go for a pint and for a challenge after work. If you go purely to rape the machines, why would the pubs want your custom? If you owned a business - you don't as you clearly survive on even less than a low level civil servant like me - you would not tolerate non-profitable customers. Get over it.

[Ernest W. Quality]

We've got some good Itbox soccer scores too (50000+), but let's not ruin this topic.

[leonardo1]

We've got some good Itbox soccer scores too (50000+), but let's not ruin this topic.

"we" being the operative word.

Go on, put up a solo Boggle scoreboard.

I'll start you off:
<pre>
VBOB 1350 somewhere
ME 1290 WILLOW WALK VICTORIA STATION LONDON VILLAGE
VBOB 1290 somewhere else</pre>

but let's not ruin this topic.

that ship sailed. what we all need is (yet) another thread by cool whining about being chucked out a pub..

[leonardo1]

(1) Pot Black Snooker club Southampton . length 5yrs plus. reason manager said knew what I did so everybody else could play the machine except me. Yeah like engaging brain to win money is to be discouraged -T**T! A few months later an employee of his was allegedly sacked for stealing several hundred pounds to feed fruit machine addiction . Result well pleased.Current machine unknown.
(2) New Bridge Inn woolston Southampton. length 1yrs plus. reason manager thought I was doing something dodgy by using shrapnel to dislodge pound coins from machine. When proven otherwise refused to apologise and let me return. If The Sun were to run a contest vote for the thickest publican in Britain. I'd nominate him if he's still there.
(3) White Swan Totton nr Southampton . length of ban 1yr plus . reason make up your own mind. Walked into the pub and the landlord said youre that guy who buys a j20 and wins on the machine. now F**k off. Much merriment later as somebody walked into pub with fake firearm and scared shitless (customers who I feel sorry for and landlord who I dont - much merriment )and no it wasnt me.Current machine Gamesnet.
(4) Litten Tree Bournemouth. Length of ban 9months. reason unknown . Police said publican thought I was fiddling the machine , by the time it left the media dept of The Laurel Pub Company it had metamorphosed into protecting the interests of other customers.current machine Itbox.S**M.

actually I find it amusing that when they boot you out it's not just "on yer bike you twat" like any other pub, but that they actually give you a length of ban

is that before or after yer arse touches concrete?

[grecian]

I think there are elements of truth on both sides of the argument here. Public houses are exactly that - houses that the owner opens to the public, and accordingly the owner does have the right to bar whomsoever he pleases, whether we like it or not. That said, it's quite another issue how the owner uses those powers, and personally I feel that so long as a machinist buys a drink (be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic - in fact ISTR that the pub's mark-up is better on soft drinks), he should be allowed to play the machine in peace. I think the idea that the "pro" player in some way deprives the owner of income from the machine is misguided - they are all set at an average payout and if a "pro" player didn't win, say, £20, it would eventually leave the machine in dribs and drabs in any case. Over time the landlord's still going to claim his X% of the Y% average take, whatever X and Y are.

All that said, I admit to an amount of dubiety over Cool's claims. I've been playing machines for many years, to a reasonable standard although perhaps not to Cool's standards (tho' I've never seen him play to the best of my knowledge!) and I've never once been kicked out of a pub, and that includes some fairly grotty pubs I've had cause to enter for machine purposes. I always take care to buy a drink and be friendly and polite. On the contrary, in many pubs, I've been congratulated on beating the machine either by locals or bar staff or landlords.

[leonardo1]

I think there are elements of truth on both sides of the argument here. Public houses are exactly that - houses that the owner opens to the public, and accordingly the owner does have the right to bar whomsoever he pleases, whether we like it or not. That said, it's quite another issue how the owner uses those powers, and personally I feel that so long as a machinist buys a drink (be it alcoholic or non-alcoholic - in fact ISTR that the pub's mark-up is better on soft drinks), he should be allowed to play the machine in peace. I think the idea that the "pro" player in some way deprives the owner of income from the machine is misguided - they are all set at an average payout and if a "pro" player didn't win, say, £20, it would eventually leave the machine in dribs and drabs in any case. Over time the landlord's still going to claim his X% of the Y% average take, whatever X and Y are.

That's true. But if cool turns up every 3 months, JPs everything then leaves, the local punters will be playing games with no payouts. They'll stop playing them completely, so the pub will be out of pocket. i.e. the publican still takes his X% but the Y might be much lower....

I take his claims with a pinch of salt too. God knows what game he's found out of the current lot which he can make a living at.