Betting Shop Terminals

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Do you believe roulette on betting shop terminals is random (ie. nothing to do with percentage like

yes
18
38%
not sure
6
13%
no
24
50%
 
Total votes: 48

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Spyder wrote: fixed odds betting has an element of random, but a blatent buffer-zone to allow it to control its payout, to a certain extent. also it has a system of putting up numbers that might not have been picked by its rng, probably in part to avoid letting the mandatory chinese guy write down the sequence till he does indeed find a pattern.

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Sorry, but your post has no factual basis. This is what you 'feel' from your limited observations.

If in fact what you wrote above does occur, the bookmakers would be in violation of their license terms to operate FOBT roullette. These operations are stictly audited and regulated by third parties.

If companies are making money from the parameters of the game, it is vastly unlikely they will risk losing the license to print this money for the sake of short term gains. They know all the addicts will continue to play the game until the house edge takes their cash. They just have to wait.

These stupid theories just don't take into account the fact that the bookies will take all your money if you play roullette anyway, it's just a matter of time.
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im sorry ,,,,,,,, i still say ive seen too many 32,32,5,32 sequences to believe anything other than a tampered game of some kind.
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(it can be 4 from 10 ,,,,, in any 10 sequencial from the 16 history)

thats a regular occurrence see george ,,,,,,,,,,,, your first checked terminal lol


75 terminals ,,,,,,,, 150 each from mogu and ob

150 is a nice amount to bet

its a nice amount to win , but not toooo harsh to lose and fall out over

ob and mogu ,,,,,,,,,, i will be expecting your confirmation meet up pm's wed night ,,,,,, and i will reply with my moby num and meetup details ,,,,,

lol , its money in the bank lol



now lets see if they back out ,,,,,,,,, got other things to do lol ,,,,,, washing your hair lads ????

splitters :P :lol: :o :P :D
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can you feel it ????? :P :D :P :lol:
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I have to say, I've watched the poll attached to this with great interest... it began with a massive swing towards no and has totally evened out since - funny enough, it appears the outcome with the least votes is basically what we're saying is the actual answer.

From what I've read, we're all pretty much in agreement that each game is holding its own percentage OR that they are all controlled by RNGs (which pretty much means the same thing since that says play on 1 game doesn't affect play on others).

At the end of the day, I'm pretty certain if you offered me a free £100 punt on a terminal or £100 in a casino, I'd feel I get better value in the casino. I would certainly say that your win range is far greater in a casino with £100 than it is with one of our friendly bookie terminals.

Simple as it comes, I've played these machines far more than I have played in casinos yet I've made over £10k several times in a casino from a couple of hundred and never made over £2000 on a terminal from any amount of money. To me, that rests my case - limited winnings due to percentage play-payouts added to the odds of the games themselves. That's just what makes sense to me.
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Post by dan69 »

master of games, all the games are stand-alone and they are in no way linked to each other. Even the various types of roulette on a single machine are all unrelated percentage wise. That is why its no longer worth going for the force on a TB, UNLESS you just check it every once in a while. I have NEVER seen anyone play on TB in Ladbrokes whilst I have been in there, so it hardly ever gets played. Only the players play it, they are the only ones ive seen, been in to systematically empty each machine on TB. Like I say, each machine is stand-alone and each game is individual.
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EXCERCIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE THE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMONS! :lol:
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Post by Spyder »

@blackmogu

try the examples of what i said to do with running multiple machines at the same time, then try telling me im wrong.

i do not believe the machines are rigged, they dont need to be, but the proof is there... unless they have changed this, try spinning two machines at the same time.

all machines in each shop used to use one shared rng, and the differences in results only happen on different bets.
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Post by Master of Games »

So the time I was up almost a grand on Rainbow Riches Pots of Gold in Ladbrokes and lost the lot on roulette, that was just because the roulette wasn't ready? It wasn't the machine sucking back the percentage? No sarcasm intended, could well have been a coincidence, no guarantees you'll ever win on roulette and as McStreak says, we have no "divine right" to expect to win on the game - it would be nice occasionally though...

I just don't play 'em! Do all my betting online now too.
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I still don't see why a manu would rig the machine by making it hit the same number like this, they can't be that stupid can they?
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LOL, how many times have I posted this on here over the years: Wiki Link to Gambler's Fallacy :D

Still reading the thread and am at page 3, apologies if it's moved on somewhat. :o ops: 8)
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Also thought I would say, this is what Fruitchat should be all about. Informed debate. Interesting stuff and one of the best reads here for a while. :) [/i]
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Matt Vinyl wrote:LOL, how many times have I posted this on here over the years: Wiki Link to Gambler's Fallacy :D

Still reading the thread and am at page 3, apologies if it's moved on somewhat. :o ops: 8)
That is a very good post! :wink:
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Post by Spyder »

my point is they are random. BUT a bit of extra programming to prevent anyone finding any potential real pattern in the rng, plus increase the house edge a bit 'just in case'
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Post by spa »

Even if they were rigged, when you win, they made it happen.
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