Betting Shop Terminals

[ob]

I said maximum 1 or 2... I'll take the risk with u mate!!! I'm expecting 0..

[trayhop123]

ok then , but were seriously not gonna walk round 25 laddys are we ???? ,,,,,,, and as much money as i have , im not a gambler at heart ,,,so no grands , 500's etc ,,,, dont mind a more sensible amount , ,,,,,,,,, £150 and its still worth the walk for both of us ok ????? thursday good???

[ob]

ok then , but were seriously not gonna walk round 25 laddys are we ???? ,,,,,,, and as much money as i have , im not a gambler at heart ,,,so no grands , 500's etc ,,,, dont mind a more sensible amount , ,,,,,,,,, £150 and its still worth the walk for both of us ok ????? thursday good???

£150 and u can have 50 terminals lol :P

[trayhop123]

lol :P :P ,,,,,,,,,,, meet you half way ,,,,,,,,, and only if mr mogu oblige's too

150 each ,,,,,,,,,, 75 units ,,,,, deal ?? :P

[Scott]

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[Mr McStreak]

my tuppence

ive said this before ,,,,,,,,, funny how nobody's took me up on the offer lol


mc streak , ob ,,,,,,, and anybody else that thinks these play totally straight


come to my house ,,,,,,,, i will give you 100 to 1 odds on a normal wheel that you wont get 5 of the same number in any 12 spins

i wouldn't give you 5 to 1 on fobt ,,,,,,,,,,,, because it happens all the time.

hmmmmm ??? any takers ???

thought not

not rigged ? ,,,,,,,, BOLLOCKS

Big statement to make considering you don't play them. I don't believe they are rigged, but I prefer a physical wheel to a virtual one. Why? Because if you are heavily involved for say, a grand in the bookies, you require at least 2 very favourable spins in order to claw your money back and even break a profit, because you can't exceed £13.80 on a number as you can't win over 500 in any one game. whereas in a casino you can achieve this in one lucky spin. Also in a casino when zero lands an 'even money' bet will be halved. In the bookies you get fuck all.

This argument has run in different threads for months and months and will continue to. All this talk of patterns etc is fucking absurd if you ask me, but the beauty of this board, with all its members from varying ends of the social spectrum, is that lively debate can thrive, and peoples views can be challenged without ridicule. In most cases.

[trayhop123]

like you say rich ,,,,,,,, all good fun , healthy debate n all that .


what about the stories we've heard , and read on here , of people covering say every number bar 5,,,,,,,,,,, and those 5 come out almost religiously ?????

[ob]

like you say rich ,,,,,,,, all good fun , healthy debate n all that .


what about the stories we've heard , and read on here , of people covering say every number bar 5,,,,,,,,,,, and those 5 come out almost religiously ?????

Lol thats because people love to spout that sort of thing. Ive bet on one number a few times, and it's come in... which is exactly the same odds!!! People who play it alot like to blame it being rigged for their losses I find, rather than the fact its a shit game anyhow that you long term expect to lose on!

[Mr McStreak]

You'll find that punters only ever remember the occasions they've lost, never the times they've managed to pick off a quick profit. Such people are also prone to exaggerating as well. In any case betting all numbers bar 5 is just asking to lose, you need to withstand several spins where you stand to gain little but lose alot just to see a small profit margin. And the longer you play them for the more the edge eats away at you. The best way, bar not playing them at all, is to walk with any profit you have as quickly as possible.

Not that I heed my own advice mind you.

[ob]

You'll find that punters only ever remember the occasions they've lost, never the times they've managed to pick off a quick profit. Such people are also prone to exaggerating as well. In any case betting all numbers bar 5 is just asking to lose, you need to withstand several spins where you stand to gain little but lose alot just to see a small profit margin. And the longer you play them for the more the edge eats away at you. The best way, bar not playing them at all, is to walk with any profit you have as quickly as possible.

Not that I heed my own advice mind you.

Yes quite right Mr McStreak :P

[john32]

The ladbrokes betting terminals are fixed odd betting, they were taken to court in 2002 because they were called roulette games(now they are named winning spin) & they claimed that the spins were ramden,
Some people lost thousands & they claimed the roulette in the ladbrokes was rigged, however the court told ladbrokes to display there odds or risk being fined & the customer compensated by anybody who took ladbrokes to court.
Now the terminals are fixed odds betting, meaning that the odds are fixed & the game is not by chance.
They don't even have to give a percentage meaning they could be on 30% payback or less.

[john32]

I believe that the roulette wheel in the casino is rigged, meaning if the table has paid out too much, then the table will start taking its percentage again before its starts to pay out.
I also believe that the roulette tables in the casino is linked, i believe that it is possible for the casino to a have a fixed roulette table in the casino, i also believe that the casino's are corrupt.
I used to go to the casino years ago,
I remember watching the croupier spinning the ball & the ball landing into certain numbers & then jumping out & going into losing numbers.

JG edit: You are totally correct john32 of 32shire of johnesshire of 32ness chez john of three to the two to the three and the two twenty two no thirty two shirenesshamhoodnessshire. Absolutely correct. Roulette and life itself is utterly rigged and biased. Nothing you can do. Someone I knew died last year, that in itself it totally rigged. I also believe that casino roulette has been lowered in recent years to payout at 78% payout, standard pub settings. I knew a croupier who could throw the ball into orbit and it'd land in number thirty seven in The Bicycle casino in Vas Legas every time. He replicated that ten times on the bounce before he accidentally caused an asteroid to break into pieces and one of those pieces blinded him in the eye meaning he lost this amazing talent. The whole thing is a sham. Sorry to interrupt in your posterererering, but I am JG, not HRK or PLUnion or Scotty North, I am JG 32 of Fruit Chat. Thankyou, much love, God bless.

[harry2]

I remember watching the croupier spinning the ball & the ball landing into certain numbers & then jumping out & going into losing numbers.

That's the basic laws of physics , or you having a wind up believing the animation on FOBT's is "lifelike".

[Spyder]

two of the people who are contributing to this thread agreed it was a possibility a year or so ago when i said the machines:

maybe they get the number from the rng, see if you are a winner or loser, then put the winning or losing number accordingly,

forinstance, the rng gives (0-40)

37 38 39 40 automaticly lose and ar house edge.

rng picks 25, you have no money on 25 anyway, so you lose, but you've bet on 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19 and 20.... so it dumps the ball in 18 to make it look like you were close..

or the one number before a cluster on the wheel, "damn if it'd rocked past that id have won £200"

as you are likely to have bet more than once on the same numbers, by the computers priority of where to put the number (variance programmed in too) it will pattern the numbers on the history..

plus, a heavily bet number is definitely programmed to come in soon after you stop betting on it.



backed up by my theory on betting two terminals at exactly the same time.
..
bet the same 5 numbers on minimum stake and press start at exactly the same time.

if you win on one, you win same number on both,
if you lose on one, you lose to the same outcome number on both

bet 5 different numbers on both machines and press start at the same time

if you win on one, you will win on the other, but different numbers
if you lose on one, you will lose on the other, with different numbers


this example was over a year ago and might not work in every bookies, but when i first posted this a lot of people agreed.

also, go into ladbrokes, play any £500 fruity on the fobt with the test card, 2 terminals at a time and press at the same time, the outcome of every press will be the same, sometimes the graphical output will be different, one might spin in a bonus and the other a 'reel' win but the financial outcome matches every press if pressed at the same time



anyway, back to the roulette... if you get two wheels in the casino, spin at the same time, what happens when the ball stops? bad example? not really,.. what happens if you sit next to someone and they spin one wheel? does your neighbor get a different result to yours?

fixed odds betting has an element of random, but a blatent buffer-zone to allow it to control its payout, to a certain extent. also it has a system of putting up numbers that might not have been picked by its rng, probably in part to avoid letting the mandatory chinese guy write down the sequence till he does indeed find a pattern.

end.

[Master of Games]

Some croupiers CAN spin the ball mostly to 1 section of the wheel if they so desire though these are few and far between. I've gambled pretty large scale on roulette in the past and I can tell you all EXACTLY what they do. First, they try to intimidate you by crowding around you close to the table on whilst speaking to what you can only assume is a "super boss". Second, they will try to get onside with you by telling anyone who is obviously just watching to go away as if trying to please you and make you feel more comfortable. Now comes the dirty bit, third... they will whisper to the croupier to spin different, change the speed of the wheel, the force of his spin, anything that could change the results - if that fails, change dealer and another, etc. I certainly wasn't imagining this, nor was I very amused since I felt even if I were £100k up I still wasn't doing anything WRONG!

Roulette terminals are just a waste of time to me.