Betting Shop Terminals

[Master of Games]

I'm inclined to agree with Redlinesman, its just unfeasibly rare that you win on those things. The blackjack is 100% fixed and no one can convince me of anything else on that game. I had a few really big punts on the roulettes and I just don't trust them to the point that I have genuinely stopped bothering. I'm not saying you can't win on roulette, I just think the chances of it are far lower than in a live environment with people, not machines spinning the ball.
Let's be honest, if we could all have back what we've lost in them and were told we had to play with it in a real casino, we all know we'd have a damned sight better chance of winning than we would if we had to re-invest it all back into those machines.

[ob]

I'm inclined to agree with Redlinesman, its just unfeasibly rare that you win on those things. The blackjack is 100% fixed and no one can convince me of anything else on that game. I had a few really big punts on the roulettes and I just don't trust them to the point that I have genuinely stopped bothering. I'm not saying you can't win on roulette, I just think the chances of it are far lower than in a live environment with people, not machines spinning the ball.
Let's be honest, if we could all have back what we've lost in them and were told we had to play with it in a real casino, we all know we'd have a damned sight better chance of winning than we would if we had to re-invest it all back into those machines.

I'm definately up on bookies roulette, I've won on over 90% of occasions I've played in bookies, generally due to an upping stakes if lose style strategy which either leads to small gains or big losses in honesty. If Roulette were rigged or %age based IN ANY WAY, this strategy would be terrible, and would have led to losses in nearly all cases... I mean imagine doing this strategy on skill roulettes if they are dead, £2 on red if its slipping off lose... £4 on red then HAS to lose, £8 then HAS to lose etc.etc. do you see what I'm saying, if it's %age based you wouldn't ever be able to profit after an intial loss, if that intial loss was not random and caused by a compensator.

Still it goes to show it's possible, and might (ie. WILL) just be all you doubters that you just got unlucky... I suppose you would be unmoved by any line of argument eh...

As an aside Im quite happy to post a screenshot of my betfair zero roulette play which was (years ago now this) £40ish K staked for £43K, I got then say 108%, where its 100% payout... just to illustrate how you can vary from the %age on the +side too...

[jeffvickers]

I wouldn't be surprised within the next year or so, the roulette machines will be "linked" to a live dealer on the top screen. They already do this on some on-line gaming content. But then again, why haven't they done it already. Because the bookies wouldn't make as much money compared to a rigged RNG.

[fruity777]

It shouldn't matter who is closer to the truth or not regarding fobt roulette. The fact is they can't be beat in the long run, the game is a mathematical trap full stop. Why waste ur time, energy, money on something that has a dead end, a negative outcome. Why r there pro poker players, pro fruit players, but no pro roulette players out there, there is a reason.

[Master of Games]

Obviously we all know the game is mathematically impossible to beat long term. Even the inventor himself topped himself when he lost the plot because of his own invention. The old 666 = all numbers on wheel added together, etc. Devil's game remarks...

But we're not here to talk about whether roulette can be beaten! I'm still asking, ok we decided £70 machines on the terminals aren't related to the play of roulette or they'd always be ready but what about the other £500 jackpot games, are they tied in with the roulette percentage or is there NO roulette percentage? If everything GENUINELY RNG based? I still reckon its a percentage on top of the house edge just so the bookies make even more money - ie. bookie tax for bringing casinos into them.

[blackmogu]

The most salient thing is that the randomness has to be signed off by independent auditors, and the accounts for the bookies have to be signed off by regulated accountants.

If either one of these bodies falsify information (statistical analysis is quite powerful in this respect), then the penalties are huge. It's simply not in their interests to fiddle the randomness.

I think someone on here looked at some filed accounts for ladbrokes, and the profit from their FOBT operations was pretty spot on with advertised percentages.

[redlinesman]

Redlinesman, you claim to be near or at top boy status. Please elaborate on your statement that FOBT roulette is not random in the true sense.....


Cheers,

JG

Not claiming to be anything like a 'top boy'. For the record, I've never played these terminals expect for a few cheats on them that were good earners. It is a fact that these have a computerised percentage built into them to represent the house advantage that a casino has. Now if the radnom number generator is what it is suposed to be, there is no need for it. Check with your ladbrokes manager and ask what percentage it is on. Ask the punters who play these regular, and the majority say it isn't like playing the real thing, they have certain patterns to them that shouldn't exist. Another thing is why do you see people waiting around in betting shops, and more or less 'sharking' the roulette and blackjack. I know a few people who do and make a profit. Have you ever seen someone sharking a roulette table in a casino because it's due to pay out?

[redlinesman]

The most salient thing is that the randomness has to be signed off by independent auditors, and the accounts for the bookies have to be signed off by regulated accountants.

If either one of these bodies falsify information (statistical analysis is quite powerful in this respect), then the penalties are huge. It's simply not in their interests to fiddle the randomness.

I think someone on here looked at some filed accounts for ladbrokes, and the profit from their FOBT operations was pretty spot on with advertised percentages.

Seems to be some confusion here. No one is claiming that false percentages are being advertised, the argument is, are FOBT's like genimune roulette in a casino.

[Spyder]

no they are not genuinely like casino tables..

there is something different.

we have discussed this on fruit chat at great length.


however... a couple of years ago, i did see a few strange things..

i went through a long period of playing roulette on fobt. and although overall i am in profit, i dont like what these machines are/do, i would sit and sometimes the persons next to me would bet large bets a few spins and lose, then walk away.. a couple of times i witnessed three or four people play the same unit after each other, with high bets on few numbers.. no winning numbers, then walking away skint.
then the next player went straight on rainbow riches and got a bank of £650+ within 2 minutes...this happened more than once, in more than one location, but always in ladbrokes... coincidence? maybe, but very odd to see.

[mr lugsy]

Why have an rng in the first place when you can program real physics into a computer simulation and just have a virtual roulette wheel???????

[Mr McStreak]

Ask the punters who play these regular, and the majority say it isn't like playing the real thing, they have certain patterns to them that shouldn't exist. Another thing is why do you see people waiting around in betting shops, and more or less 'sharking' the roulette and blackjack. I know a few people who do and make a profit. Have you ever seen someone sharking a roulette table in a casino because it's due to pay out?

That has got to be the biggest load of bollocks i've ever read, narrowly beating Spyders suggestion that after 'a long period' of playing fobt roulette he is in profit. I doubt that very much, although he could just be exceptionally lucky.

[Spyder]

I doubt that very much, although he could just be exceptionally lucky.

very lucky..

played quite regually for about 6 months, and less reguarly since they came out.. i have hardly touched them for about 18 months though as i did start to lose a bit..

i can say im up but people wont believe me, but i was unbelievably lucky for a long while..

plus, certain numbers did seem to come in patterns,

did "SEEM" to come up..

i once had 17 covered from all angles and it came in twice, i was betting about £18 a spin and had nearly £12 on 17, back to back.. id put about £20 in that session and when i left i have £1200

there was another time when id put about 50 in and had started to get a reasonable bank, i was then betting only on the 3rd 12, every number for an entire viewable history came in over 25.. this was another £800+ profit

best week i profited (from stake amounts) about £2000
worst week i lost about £300 - £350

i wont play them again, and if i do, it will be a couple of £20's played exactly like i do in the casinos... random as fuck bets with the entire stake on no more than 3 spins.

[Stevie S]

They are not percentage based at all and every game is completely independent. The patterns will be different in every single casino in the world from night to night.

[redlinesman]

No talking about patterns where you can win money. Bad patterns where they are meant suck money then pay out etc like spyder says. These things are evil but there is people in profit over years and years which is why they are rigged.

[Stevie S]

No talking about patterns where you can win money. Bad patterns where they are meant suck money then pay out etc like spyder says. These things are evil but there is people in profit over years and years which is why they are rigged.

They are not rigged, it will just show you a true reflection of what gambling for luck is like!!