Betting Shop Terminals

[Master of Games]

What's the official word on how these things actually pay out? If someone does a grand in roulette, do his losses go in as losses only on that roulette game, all the roulette games or every game on the terminal? Presumably they are percentage based, no matter how much they say roulette is random I won't believe it even though it doesn't need to be since the game itself has its own percentage (the "house" edge).

Does someone putting £500 through Rainbow Riches on these terminals make it more likely for the next person to win on Blackjack? I really can't be sure and I hardly play them now, I'd just like to know what the companies say and what fellow players believe.

I'm guessing there must be separate "pots" since if there weren't, the Trailblazers in Ladbrokes would be ready every day as long as the roulettes are getting "rowed".

[fruity777]

No need to think so deeply on a game that can't be beaten. If it was percentage based, it be worse than the real thing. Your playing against the house advantage plus the percentage take.

[Mr McStreak]

Fobt's don't need to be rigged and aren't in my opinion. The problem is people think they have the divine right to win a negative expectancy bet.

[redlinesman]

No need to think so deeply on a game that can't be beaten. If it was percentage based, it be worse than the real thing. Your playing against the house advantage plus the percentage take.

Are they truly random? Well the answer is no. If the number generator randomly picked a number from 0-36 every time, there is no need for any percentage to be involved. It would be proper roulette. But this isn't the case because they work off the same principles as a so called 'random' fruit machine.The random bit means they are not progressive, but not random in the true sense of the word. A lucky roulette player could not walk on a terminal and be 50 grand up in a session because it is impossible.

[mr lugsy]

I've always suspected the riggededeshness (sp?) of fobt's ,the most plausible answer is that they are not rigged because they don't need to be .
At the end of the day fruits don't need to be on bottomed out percentages to make money ,but they still are in many places.

I used to think rigged,now I think could be rigged ,but not, defo not rigged because there's always some skanky mo fo out there.

[ob]

All random games have an average % payout whether in a bookies or casino or whatevet - doesnt mean it will follow it, its just an average! I find it unreal people dont understand this concept STILL!

If I were to play someone at a game of coin toss heads or tails assuming its a fair toss abd its double or nothing this game has 100% payout. Yet this does not mean if you were long run down say vs one person that you will have any better chance of winning in the future, and the game from ur point of vue may never reach this 100% average.

[redlinesman]

Any sort of betting involves percentages, these are natural percentages like in favour of the house, casino - roulette or black jack. Its not the same as a payout percentage like on a fruit machine. If you play roulette for a week in a casino you could come out in profit, that can not be said of a FOBT or a computerised percentage. What Im saying is FOBT's are on a coputerised percentage mimicks the house advantage in a casino. If it was totally a random game it wouldn't need it. The computerised percentage makes sure the FOBT meets its percentage in a much shorter period of time than in a real life scenario.

[Scott]

Cue mass debate

[Glendale]

Debate all you want! Never have and never will play them!

[Scott]

Ditto!

[thecannonball89]

As bandit players why should we even care about FOBTs??

[Glendale]

Had a argument with turk earlier, shock that is, he lost shed loads again today on them and i said as a "pro" why do you play them? Dummy said there "Fun"!

[Master of Games]

I feel I've not made my point correctly here - totally my own fault; I've asked 2 questions and so far only 1 is getting answered. What I'm trying to get at is is every game separate or are they all tied in to the same percentage? For example, are the £70 slots more likely to pay if a £500 has been pumped?
The reason I ask is because on machines like Fruit Juice we get the "this game is compensated" message. As far as I'm aware, on these you don't. I haven't played any for a while so maybe I just haven't seen it but I was just wondering firstly what others think and secondly what the official company claims are on the matter.
Of course the casino games shouldn't NEED to be fixed percentage wise in order to win overall just like a casino game in a real casino doesn't but then we have that thing about why you don't get paid half your stake back if 0 comes in on the 50-50 bets - personally I think its to just discourage people from going for those bets.

[thecannonball89]

No, If not games like TB would never be dead as the roulette and 500s are so ahead its unreal.

[ob]

If you play roulette for a week in a casino you could come out in profit, that can not be said of a FOBT or a computerised percentage..

No thats absolute rubbish. Some Chinese guy that used to play in the Betfred in town was over £10K up on roulette over a couple of weeks, and this playing the same terminal constantly, I saw him do it and I knew the manager there well and he did actually make the cash! I mean this is the GODS HONEST TRUTH TOO, I SWEAR IT!

Of course he eventually blew the lot come the next few weeks, as people who play £100/spin will probably eventually lose in the long run, given a huge number of spins.

This "computerised %" idea being anything other than just 100% random is not true. I've played these FOBT and seen them played over 100,000 spin plus and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't truely random, anyone who says different is no doubt bitter over short run losses due to strings of loss numbers, which can easily happen in bookies, online or in a casino.