Do you support yourself solely from fruit machines?

[fruitypie]

Im going job centre on monday im not going to be looking for work but im going to be taking there £51 a week, and i will be sleeping as easy as ever.

So whats happened to all this money you win every week ?
Not sure of total,But lets say you cant sign on with savings of 10k
Surley a talent like you has more than that tucked away ?
I mean you keep 1k at least in coins on you in a rucksack as spare change lol.

[sir ratholer]

Pete - that's what the small amount would be for, things like basic services. However if you unnecessarily cause the services issues such as arson or wasting police time, or you have to go to hospital to get treated due to a drink related incident, then you pay for the results of your actions. If you can't pay, your assets get seized and you go bankrupt. You wouldn't do it again!

As for home schooling, is that such a bad thing? You may not have such interaction with pupils but I bet a hell of a lot of parents can teach better than teachers, who largely in my experience, were useless. And I went to a high end grammar school. Anyone with a conscientious parent would sail through a levels. My parents and grandparents got me about 2 years ahead of my age at one point in the first couple of years of primary school.

As for being beaten up in a machine incident, good luck to anyone who wants to do that.

[quizard]

For JSA you need to be:

"available for, capable of and actively seeking work"

And I think the lower savings limit is £6k after which the benefit is reduced on a sliding scale depending how much above this you have got until it gets to nothing.

[mr lugsy]

you're not self sufficient.
You rely on health care, policing, Fire & Rescue, national defence, arts and sport, subsidised farming, schools for your kids.

You are not contributing to the payment of those things.

Council tax covers local ammenities.
Your private bills aren't relative.

Society is a huge complex machine and you take from it every minute of the day.

pete ,anyone who pays council tax IS contributing towards emergency services.

your council publishes a yearly breakdown of what your council tax is used for and a clear and precise breakdown is listed on the leaflet that is distributed to all households in the area.

ammounts vary from area to area but all council tax payers defo contribute towards policing and fire service. i'm not sure about ambulance or lifeguards or the fifth emergency service (taxi drivers)

[Spyder]

i think its funny that we'd all be shouting really loud if this was an in person conversation...

[trayhop123]

well , first things first ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, we managed to keep this debate objective , nothing personal . ,,,,,,,,,,,, then fruit pie turned up and went all insulting ,,,,,,,,,, ahh well , always one i suppose . ,,,,,,,,,, jealously really does breed contempt .





secondly , i haven't been debating whether or not we should be paying income tax ,,,,,,, if it came to it , i would .

im merely trying to defend full time pro's from the social stigma that were all layabout scum draining the country off the tax payer.

and because were in a higher earning bracket , our excessive spending must contribute to the economy more than average joe.



seriously fruit pie (whoever you are , conveniently hiding behind your alias , gutless) ,,,, if you want to contribute to the debate in a well thought out constructive manner , then please do so , you'll get more respect from people on here ,,,,,,,,,,, if you want to continue being insulting and childish up to you .

the rest of us may not agree on certain topics ,,,,,,,,,,, but at least theres respect .


who looks the plank ? me or you?

[thecannonball89]

It doesn't matter if you had 500k banked. If you are looking for work, you can claim job seekers allowance, similar in principle to the Beckhams still getting family allowance.

[mr lugsy]

you may be able to claim jsa with 500k banked cannonball ,but if they found out you'd be very likely to have the book thrown at you .

...........and the sun would do a double paged feature on what a naughty blagger you are

[sir ratholer]

Out of interest fruity pie, what's a peewee you keep referring to?

[harry2]

I'm such a great player that I need to claim £51 JSA a week ! Says it all really.

[ScottyNorth192]

Are you not charged on your income anything over £6,000.

You can't be earning over £6,000 and be exempt or have zero rate VAT, all Fruit Machine players are dodging the Government it's just a shame only a few players make enough serious income otherwise the banks would look more closely.

[sir ratholer]

I don't really agree with claiming jsa if you play machines full time, after all you aren't looking for a job.

Furthermore it must be < expected value to have to change routes to fit in your appointment etc.

But I can also kind of see the point which says take it, after all the government screw you for money all the time.

It should be banned for people unemployed for more than 3 months anyway. Anyone can get a job in that time if they are motivated and not overly selective.

[harry2]

Income tax and VAT are totally seperate issues.


Income tax is based on personal earning, capital gains and business income. The allowance for a standard single person is £6475 per annum. Then you are taxed at the standard rate of 20% of any income over your allowance up to £34800 and then at 40% for income above this figure. Then you have employee National Insurance to pay also.


If you haven't paid any NI in life this could affect any state pension.


VAT is only paid by registered business that has an annual turnover of £70,000 (which in theory is not a lot of 50p spins, is it)

[gambogaz1]

It doesnt matter if you had 500k banked if you are looking for work you can claim job seekers, same as the beckams still get famly alouence

It is means tested. after 6 months your savings would stop the JSA. Also your 1st 6 months depend on what NI contributions you've paid to date.

Jobseekers Allowance - Contribution based

Paid to people who are unemployed or who are working less than 16 hours a week but only if they have paid enough National Insurance contributions at the right time. It is paid for 6 months and is taxable. There are three different age-based rates. There are strict labour market conditions that must be satisfied. For example, having to be available for work. Earnings and occupational/personal pension are taken into account.

[trayhop123]

i pay full council tax
i pay full prescription charges
i pay full dental work
i pay full water rates , gas , electric etc ,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing is subsidised


So does everyone else who brings in an income AND they pay income tax. Not sure what your intelligence level is but factors like paying water and gas, dental work has nothing to do with it. Of course you pay the water, gas and electric companies because they are just like any other business providing a service.

It is certain that there will always be some form of unemployment in life, so if your unlucky enougth not to be in work does that mean you are just left to be homeless and starve. So people abuse the system and some do not, but the attituide of saying 'why should I support people on benefits' is old hat and hints at a lack intelligence. If anyone on here found themselves out of work or struggling in some way, the first thing they would do is pay a visit to the benefits agency or releavant authorities just like anyone else would. Its a classic state of self interest, the attituide of I've got money, I don't want to pay any taxes but when Im struggling.....
Totally hypocritical view point and has the aroma of limited education and thought process.

It is the classic fruit machine player's attituide of relying on the state, not in the familiar way with benefits, but the arrogance of thinking they are beyond contributing like a normal citizen.

POKERPETE, I SALUTE YOU

think you owe me a bit of an apology here m8 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ''the attitude of ive got money , i dont want to pay any taxes''

i never said i dont want to pay , in fact if you read all my posts correctly , i state im not arguing over whether we should or not .

im just trying to defend the full time pro , from the no good scrounger label


you also criticise me saying i pay full council tax, prescriptions etc ,,,, by saying everyone does ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well no they dont , people claiming benefits dont have to pay any of these things............. agreed


it would be so easy to put all my money in a relatives name ,,,,,,,,,, then sign on and reap said benefits ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but i dont because that in my eyes WOULD be taking the piss out of the tax payer.

so i haven't got the '' classic fruit machine players attitude of relying on the state" ,,,,,,,,,, you couldn't be further from the truth ,,,,,,,,,, i dont think we shouldn't be contributing .


i take absolutely nothing from the government whatsoever ,

so i dont pay income tax ,,,,,,,, (that admittedly goes towards valuable services )

thats a product of circumstance ,,,,,,,,,, because as a professional gambler in the uk , im not required to by law .

what more should i and people like me do ,,,,,,,,,,, ?????? please suggest



im not going to apologies for being a pro player.


as for the limited intelligence insults ,,,,,,,,, 3 in one post ,,,,,,,,, try to keep this debate on a professional level please ,,,,,,,,,,, i wouldn't personally insult you . and i cant be that thick can i , or i would be skint and claiming wouldn't i?