Do you support yourself solely from fruit machines?

[pokerpete]

careful, you're starting to sound like Mike.

You can't survive on your own, and niether could your ancestors.
Tax is just the modern equivalent of a village sharing resources.

Unless you're prepared to go and live on a desert island or in a Highland cave, you can't really claim to be outside of society.

[deano8177]

I don't see what is wrong about paying tax, if they asked me to I would. But until they do I won't. I will always help the people that need it. But it never works out that way.

[redlinesman]

however... people who play machines for a living keep a industry going...

without fruit machine players, a lot of people would suffer and be out of work.. not only the programmers and hob-nobs from the main companies, but all the way through to the people that work in the led bulb factories and the people that print the machine manuals... all the pieces are met in one place and put together but there are many industries involved in making and supplying the machines..

HMCE take taxes in various ways, if you think that for each £1 you put in the machines someone is taking 20p, which is then taxed, meaning we are directly contributing towards an otherwise non-existant profit, which is then taxed..

This really is just ridiculous and is a very narrow minded and silly point of view. First of all we are talking about income tax, that means the money you make or earn, a percentage goes to the government. Most people in life can say, well I spend money on this so it keeps this person in a job etc. The regulars in a pub, keep the pub running, those who go shopping keep the staff in work, visit the cinema and your keeping everyone in a job so. Your simply paying for an experience or service so what an earth has this got to do with income tax???????

Buying petrol, parking tickets, drinks etc, the familiar expenses of a player - these are just things your paying for, and everything you pay for the VAT and subsequent tax from the company will go to the government. If you don't want to spend money on these areas, well thats fine, but when you do, don't try and justify this as income tax. Its like a taxi driver saying because he buys plenty of petrol. he's exempt from income tax, total rubbish.

Also, with or without fruit machine sharks, the industry lives on and would be probably stronger with the latter. There isn't a mass player fraternity in club machines, but they've been around for years and what about the AWP games that aren't generally touched by players? These games are probably the ones that make the largest profit, due to the fact that every ounce of value is rarely extracted from them.

[trayhop123]

pokerpete , your obviously an intelligent man ,,,,,,,,,,, and im not gonna get into the should we shouldn't we pay tax argument ,,,,,,,,,,,,

but your clouded if you think us full time pro's dont contribute anything to society .

look at how much more we spend towards our economy than average joe ,,,,,,,,,,,,, petrol for starters ,,,,,,, huge

then all the mod con's , useless gadgets we dont need , expensive designer clothes, etc etc ,,,,,,,,,, our general food bills are dearer because were not tied to an aldi budget etc.

all the un-necessary things we admittedly dont need , with our disposable income .




now put that into perspective with average working joe and his take home £260 a week , which is eaten up in bills ,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,, yes he may be paying his taxes . but his spending rate is miniscule in comparison .


who contributes more to society ?????? dont make me laugh

[A1056688]

Interesting thread guys.

What would be even more interesting to know is "how many full time machine players also claim JSA?"

[trayhop123]

not since the £10 jp was ushered in

[thecannonball89]

I would clame but simply cba

[quizard]

I would clame but simply cba

What when you are making £1.5k a week?

[logopolis]

This is where I don't agree.

We never signed up to pay tax, or form a society. We didn't sign a contract at birth.

In my opinion Pete, you've been brainwashed by the state into thinking this.

Exactly right, and that doesn't just apply to tax either.

There's actually a simple way round all this. Surprised nobody has mentioned it!!

[spa]

TBH, if it was taxed your expenses would more than cover any tax owed. In fact you would probably get a rebate every year.

Here's a example.

You would go online, do you tax return. So... how much have I earned..... let's say £35,000. Right now you owe £7000 in income tax and 8% again in NI.

Let's start filling in the expences. Monday, 275 miles @ 40p a mile.... £110, same for Tuesday and right through til Friday. Nothing ever for sat/sun. That's £550 of car expences incurred in 1 week, which of course can be offset against tax. That fucker is £28600 which has just put your earnings to £6400, which on it's own is below the tax code. It is only 40p a mile upto 10,000 miles mind. You could use reciepts instead mind.

How about drinks. 50 pubs a week, £1.50 in each? £75 a week more there. That's another £3900.

Anyone eat aswell? Clothes? Overnight stays? B&Bs? I'll stop there but you could easily get your earnings into minus and get paid

Also, if they ever brought in tax for gamblers they surely have to then bring in rebates on losses.

I work and gamble weekends/evenings. Self employed so do a tax return like the above each year... and get a monster rebate by working the system

[gambogaz1]

You only get a rebate if you've paid tax in the 1st place.


They also wouldn't accept that mileage figure either. They'd want receipts to back that sort of mileage claim up against your income figures. As they'd just say it isn't feesible.

Granted you could claim certain expenses, but it would be very complex, which is probably why the revenue haven't bothered trying to do anything about it.

[spa]

How do taxi drivers get round not paying tax throughout the year then? Most I know also nearly run at a loss!

[gambogaz1]

Their accountants will make sure there net profit comes as close to £6,475 as possible. Dealing in cash means the accounts are easy to fiddle but they've still gotta look half believable. So all claims for car expenses would be allowed as that's what's needed for their job.

[Mr McStreak]

I don't though think that anyone should really feel any guilt over not paying tax when they are not legally required to do so. It is up to the govenment to legislate to collect tax from whoever they think should be liable.

I think you're right that you shouldn't feel guilty about not paying tax if you're not legally required to.

However, I do believe that you should feel guilty about taking the benefits (not "Benefits") from society without contributing.
It might not be a legal requirement to contribute, but I believe it's a moral one.

It's the governments job to protect the people of this country, yet we have dozens, if not hundreds of potential terrorists and hate preachers living here, claiming TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS A YEAR, and REJOICING in the misery of the families of British soldiers who have died for their country.

Why the fuck should I, or ANY decent honest British citizen feel as though we ought to chip in to keep these dirty, murdering animals?

[Spyder]

income tax is already paid on the money you "earn" as someone else has already paid it..

simple as that im afraid, and if there were proper government restrictions NONE of us would make a penny from the machines on a regular basis.