Cunts.
As Del Boy once said, I get nothing from the government so the government get nothing from me. Fuck 'em.
Do you support yourself solely from fruit machines?
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Mr McStreak
I received a letter recently from the tax people telling me I needed to explain how i'd been supporting myself between certain dates. I sent it back to them with a footnote stating that seeing as I wasn't currently, or even planning to in the future, to claim benefits it was none of their fucking business.
Cunts.
As Del Boy once said, I get nothing from the government so the government get nothing from me. Fuck 'em.
Cunts.
As Del Boy once said, I get nothing from the government so the government get nothing from me. Fuck 'em.
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redlinesman
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'As Del Boy once said, I get nothing from the government so the government get nothing from me. Fuck 'em'
Not trying to have a go here, but I couldn't agree with this mentality. It's a known fact that us fruit machine players contribute nothing to society, and are pure and simply using an edge to line our own pockets without having to pay any income tax. We are looked after in terms of health care, policing, transport, unemployment + many other areas, so much to the fact that the British citizen is in an extremely enviable position. Things can change from government to government, but in general most of us are well looked after, it may not feel like it though, this is because we don't know any different.
Personally, I don't think making a living off a form of gambling is any worse in principal than being a stock broker, or say a certain type of company, but these do however contribute and pay income tax. I think any money made in this country should be taxable to a certain amount. Winnings over a sustained period should be taxable, simply because this can be regarded as an income. I'm not going to campaign for it to be brought in, but just talking in terms of what's right
'As Del Boy once said, I get nothing from the government so the government get nothing from me. Fuck 'em'
Not trying to have a go here, but I couldn't agree with this mentality. It's a known fact that us fruit machine players contribute nothing to society, and are pure and simply using an edge to line our own pockets without having to pay any income tax. We are looked after in terms of health care, policing, transport, unemployment + many other areas, so much to the fact that the British citizen is in an extremely enviable position. Things can change from government to government, but in general most of us are well looked after, it may not feel like it though, this is because we don't know any different.
Personally, I don't think making a living off a form of gambling is any worse in principal than being a stock broker, or say a certain type of company, but these do however contribute and pay income tax. I think any money made in this country should be taxable to a certain amount. Winnings over a sustained period should be taxable, simply because this can be regarded as an income. I'm not going to campaign for it to be brought in, but just talking in terms of what's right
Govenment pay you plenty.Scott wrote:Self sufficient since May 2005, the goverment don't pay me nothing so i don't pay the goverment nothing!
You benefit from Health service, policing, defense, schools if you have kids, roads (not covered by road tax), imprisoning those that would do you harm, subsidising sport and culture for you to enjoy, subsidising farming to provide food at affordable prices, just off the top of my head.
Any players who think they live outside the system are in denial.
They are leeching from society.
I'm not judging you, I'm just saying, you have to acknowledge that you are a non-contributing burden to the state.
I personally couldn't face myself in the mirror if I didn't think I was a fully functioning member of society, but maybe that's just me
however... people who play machines for a living keep a industry going...
without fruit machine players, a lot of people would suffer and be out of work.. not only the programmers and hob-nobs from the main companies, but all the way through to the people that work in the led bulb factories and the people that print the machine manuals... all the pieces are met in one place and put together but there are many industries involved in making and supplying the machines..
HMCE take taxes in various ways, if you think that for each £1 you put in the machines someone is taking 20p, which is then taxed, meaning we are directly contributing towards an otherwise non-existant profit, which is then taxed.. you have to look at the bigger picture though...
the people supplying and distributing and renting and siting and filling and repairing and answering phones and writing iou cheques and cleaning their offices and repairing their plumbing and the people who site their pepsi and chocolate machine in their canteen, and the guy who fills that up and the people at mars who run the machines to fill the dispenser and their wives who work part time and hurry home from their chosen line of employment to ensure the babysitter can leave for 6pm and get pissed on cheap cider and get shagged behind the libary, who have to pay a caretaker to clean up the spunk that the 16 year old lad wipes on the window after probably giving her clamidia and getting her pregnant...
without people who are willing to play on the machines putting money in and making a "tax free living" then the entire industry would collapse.. meaning instant job loss for a few, and affected trade for others.. (also there might be a reduction on teenage pregnancy)
without fruit machine players, a lot of people would suffer and be out of work.. not only the programmers and hob-nobs from the main companies, but all the way through to the people that work in the led bulb factories and the people that print the machine manuals... all the pieces are met in one place and put together but there are many industries involved in making and supplying the machines..
HMCE take taxes in various ways, if you think that for each £1 you put in the machines someone is taking 20p, which is then taxed, meaning we are directly contributing towards an otherwise non-existant profit, which is then taxed.. you have to look at the bigger picture though...
the people supplying and distributing and renting and siting and filling and repairing and answering phones and writing iou cheques and cleaning their offices and repairing their plumbing and the people who site their pepsi and chocolate machine in their canteen, and the guy who fills that up and the people at mars who run the machines to fill the dispenser and their wives who work part time and hurry home from their chosen line of employment to ensure the babysitter can leave for 6pm and get pissed on cheap cider and get shagged behind the libary, who have to pay a caretaker to clean up the spunk that the 16 year old lad wipes on the window after probably giving her clamidia and getting her pregnant...
without people who are willing to play on the machines putting money in and making a "tax free living" then the entire industry would collapse.. meaning instant job loss for a few, and affected trade for others.. (also there might be a reduction on teenage pregnancy)
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sir ratholer
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Very true spyder.
Pokerpete - that's your say and I respect your opinion but why couldn't you look yourself in the mirror if you weren't a fully functioning member of society?
If i didn't play machines my spending would be severely curtailed, which magnified over all the players would cost businesses income, threaten jobs, and realise far less vat for the government.
I think with all the taxes I do pay (council, a fuckload of petrol, vat just to name a few) I give more than I receive.
Pokerpete - that's your say and I respect your opinion but why couldn't you look yourself in the mirror if you weren't a fully functioning member of society?
If i didn't play machines my spending would be severely curtailed, which magnified over all the players would cost businesses income, threaten jobs, and realise far less vat for the government.
I think with all the taxes I do pay (council, a fuckload of petrol, vat just to name a few) I give more than I receive.
Bored of the grind.
No it's the addicts that lose on the machines that keep the industry going. If you can make a living out of machines then that means your taking money out of the machine. A business can't survive giving money out can it ?Spyder wrote:however... people who play machines for a living keep a industry going...
To pay tax you have to make a profit 1st, losing money to a player = Nil tax bill
Without the Addict there'd be no player, without no player you'd still have the addict.
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
I totally agree with Gaz. We rely heavily on addicts and Joe public to munt the machines. But there is the flip side that we leave the machine ready to go into a suck mode, which means they make the money there.
As like most people on here, I don't like bragging/posting about how much is made on a weekly basis. But I don't agree that anyone doing this on professional basis should be creaming off the state.
I travel way too much, to be told that I'd have to come in the job centre every week or whatever it is would lose me money in the long run, which is ironic lol.
Just do what you enjoy, and if that's slotting then do it. Met many a decent honest person off here now and realise that most people share the same opinion.
Taxing fruit machine players, think that would be difficult but not ruling it out though. The tax man is ruthless!
As like most people on here, I don't like bragging/posting about how much is made on a weekly basis. But I don't agree that anyone doing this on professional basis should be creaming off the state.
I travel way too much, to be told that I'd have to come in the job centre every week or whatever it is would lose me money in the long run, which is ironic lol.
Just do what you enjoy, and if that's slotting then do it. Met many a decent honest person off here now and realise that most people share the same opinion.
Taxing fruit machine players, think that would be difficult but not ruling it out though. The tax man is ruthless!
"pro" players certainly don't keep an industry going.
Winning gamblers don't contribute to company profits, losing players do.
Also the industry is in massive decline and people at the big manufaturers are losing their jobs in their dozens.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I didn't contribute because I believe we are intrinsically socially collaborative creatures.
We've evolved to work together as a group and some people think it's ok to take but not contribute. I was brought up to pay my way.
I was a low level pro poker player but, as with the huge majority of so called pro players, I also ran my own business.
Very few successful live poker players I've met make their money solely from poker. Most subsidise with other business interests.
I think unless I had a significant six figure win, I'd be unlikely to ever give up work entirely and play for a living. Even then, I'd be more likely to set up a business of some sort that allowed me to play a lot more, but I'd continue to be a functioning member of society.
Winning gamblers don't contribute to company profits, losing players do.
Also the industry is in massive decline and people at the big manufaturers are losing their jobs in their dozens.
I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I didn't contribute because I believe we are intrinsically socially collaborative creatures.
We've evolved to work together as a group and some people think it's ok to take but not contribute. I was brought up to pay my way.
I was a low level pro poker player but, as with the huge majority of so called pro players, I also ran my own business.
Very few successful live poker players I've met make their money solely from poker. Most subsidise with other business interests.
I think unless I had a significant six figure win, I'd be unlikely to ever give up work entirely and play for a living. Even then, I'd be more likely to set up a business of some sort that allowed me to play a lot more, but I'd continue to be a functioning member of society.
I think in this country professional gamblers should consider themselves lucky they have such a favourable. tax break. I don't though think that anyone should really feel any guilt over not paying tax when they are not legally required to do so. It is up to the govenment to legislate to collect tax from whoever they think should be liable.playwithrob wrote: Taxing fruit machine players, think that would be difficult but not ruling it out though. The tax man is ruthless!
Taxing professional gamblers is not impossible as they do it in the US and many other countries. And the UK HMRC are pussycats compared to the IRS in the US.
I think you're right that you shouldn't feel guilty about not paying tax if you're not legally required to." wrote:playwithrob wrote: I don't though think that anyone should really feel any guilt over not paying tax when they are not legally required to do so. It is up to the govenment to legislate to collect tax from whoever they think should be liable.
However, I do believe that you should feel guilty about taking the benefits (not "Benefits") from society without contributing.
It might not be a legal requirement to contribute, but I believe it's a moral one.
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