New forum rule

[JG]

Now I'm not singling anyone out here, although I will admit inspiration for this came from Evans's thread, suggesting that pubs should have the equivalent of B2 style machines of their premises.

Now imagine an alien lands on Planet Earth. The sole brief is to find out the profile of B3 machines and how they play.
Going by the videos on YouTube, I think the alien would write this synopsis on the profile of a Rainbow Riches.

"Leprechauns are given about once every £20 and quite frequently give £75+ However sometimes the leprechauns are blocked by the plethora of pots which keep rolling in about every £3 or so whereby gold pot is awarded for £500 more often than not. Enriched periods of full screens rolling in and five wells for £120 happens quite freuqently. About 1 in 20 playing sessions will be met with a loss of about £80 though."

So a suggested new 'rule', you're allowed to post about your wins, but only after declaring all previous loss history.

SO here we go, an example.

"Hi! My name's Bob, I'm new to this forum, lovely to meet you all. I put £4 in a Rainbow Riches and got gold pot for £343.67 at the weekend I was loving it, I only walked in there with a fiver. It made up for the time down in Felixtowe I sat on one unit for five hours. I walked in there with a fiver as I usually do, it rolled in £2 first spin and before I knew it, six more losing spins I was a fiver down, but still buzzing from the first spin. Thankfully I had my six different cashcards on me, so went to withdraw £50. I can't believe it! I got absolutely nothing, well a few wins, nothing more than £2.50, I was gutted, I wasn't having that, so I withdrew another £50. Long story short, I missed my grandmother's funeral, lost £1805 and was the black sheep of the family for quite a while after that. All for one high point of a £35 from three leprechauns. Oh did I mention my six hour stint in Southend which resulted in my girlfriend throwing me out the flat? No, well let me tell you I had only walked in there with a fiver.............repeat to fade"

Fair enough? Or not?

Same goes for casino, poker, B2/B3 games even DonD junkies. It's all about discipline, so let's have some disciplined admissions of losses.

There is a serious side to this. You may ask, who are you JG to dictate to us what we declare and what we don't declare? Who the hell are you?!? Who do you think you bloody well are?? Just because you're a moderator, don't get ideas above your station Sonny Jim, so back off ok?!?
You may be thinking that. Well this isn't a mandatory requirement and it's only a suggestion, so if you want to banish it into room 101 then all I say is please, hear me out on this last bit.


There are a lot of vulnerable people who read this forum. Actually you'd be surprised at who does read this board. I have it on good authority that HMRC do read this board. Also ALL the major manufacturers keep a very keen eye on this board. Not to mention that any search engine will happily direct to this board as a major resource if someone so much as thinks of a row of cherries whilst using said search engine.


Anyway, there are a lot of naive/gullible/weak/pathologically disadvantaged/greedy people who may pick up the wrong signals from these sorts of postings.

I doubt that Cat C AWPs will be ruining many people's lives, but I'm sure the temptations provided by B2/B3 may be making some people very unhappy due to their own shortcomings admittedly, but nonetheless I think it's time we addressed this as an issue of social responsibility and group cohesiveness.

I have noticed as illustrated by my alien analogy that these B3 machines are presented in a hugely positive light on here. This may give others false hope and in turn misery.

Therefore if you like posting about big wins from gambling, please post losing stories as well, to balance out the image of easy money.

If you like a flutter now and again on gambling, your money, your call. However let's hear it when you lose £300. In fact let's hear about the twenty times you lose £300 BEFORE we get to hear the £5 in for a full screen £500 story. It's all about balanced, independent, impartial reporting. I'm sick of this bias towards easy winning that exists. It's not easy, it's bloomin' hard and costly and I speak from experience. So let me start the ball rolling with a story about a big loss on an 8 Liner.

[JG]

My first experience of a mauling at the hands of the new wave of 'section 16' machines was on an 8 Liner.
Created by 'in house' (owned by Thomas' Estates) company, cms were a cheap way of kitting out the estate with pieces that were cheaper to site and run than the big 10k boxes from Astra, such as Party Time Slotto at that time.
Basically there were quite a few differences between B3 and Section 16, but the main one for customers was the stake. You would see section 16s offering a straight up (no superbet!) £10/spin option.
8 Liner was a reel based affair with cherries, bells, bars, played out on three reels, two position on each, 2*2*2 you do the math.
There was 10p/20p or 50p a line, with a maximum of 8 lines.
£4/spin was your maximum bet and £200 for 8*£25 of bars.
Let me tell you they were highly addictive.
I had a great day around town, I was about £260 up which for 2005 or whenever it was they first appeared, that was a decent phat result.
So there I found myself in a local arcade, loaded up with wonga (wonga?), yeah.....wonga.....I was loaded up with wonga. I felt invincible (yet to be released, or maybe it had been, history gets blurry). I was unbeatable. I knew the score with these new section 16s, they were random, no edge to the 'wideboys'. To that day I had not played them. However they were there and wouldn't it be great if I could beat the system just the once and know I was up for all time?
Well I saw a woman get the full screen of bars on £4/spin, she had only put in a £20 note. This didn't deter me, I would try £20, five spins and then walk, win or lose.
What happenned next was this.
£20 went in and I maxed it up and pressed the start button five times and lost five times.
Botheration. I had expected some activity, but I had finished for a day, so time to walk.
I got to the door and thought, £240 up, hmmmmmm, got another 40 sheets to experiment with, £2'er up isn't so bad a result, let's see what we can do.
I could not get a bloomin' win, I even changed down to lowest stake and got bored, so changed back up, hoping that when it came in, it's be a good 'un.
Well I got into £100 in before one single line of cherries rolled in for a fiver.
One single line!
The next £100 played out the same.
The third £100 in yielded some bells, but only one or two lines, back in.
Going for £400 deep and I saw bars, but only the one line, lasted for five seconds before back to zero.
£500 deep and I was surprised.
**IT HAD HAPPENED SO QUICKLY**
To lose that on a UK £25 AWP of the time, in an arcade on 88% would have taken MORE THAN A DAY.
In less than one hour, I was £500 deep and £240 down now, £240 down, what an ugly, UGLY loss to record in my diary. £240 DOWN.
An hour ago I was king of the gamblers, a free spirit, cruising around making a killing, now I was an inadequate sad twat who had f**ked the days result. I felt very sorry for myself and was surprised that the depressive numbing pathos completely removed my expective normal urges to put the glass through with a chair.
At £500 down I gave up, what was the point? Two back to back jackpots and I was still down.
It was a horrible, horrible moment and my own naievity with my gambling issues had taken me by surprise.
I did win that £500 back from a Party Time Slotto, it rolled in a full screen, pity that over several session I probably spent £1500 to see that full screen.
It took me about £2500 to realise that Section 16s/B3s were a complete waste of time and I wished that I had the strength and common sense of some players to never have got involved.
Couple that with about 1k down on roulette and you have the extent of my discipline lapses.
I'm ignoring silly sessions on Monopoly Hot Property's/Let's play DonDs etc for now, different ball game and a far lesser crime, albeit a crime of sorts nonetheless.
So there we have it, JG is about £3,500 down roulghly over all time in his playing 'career'. A silly lapse and chicken feed to some, but an annoying blot in the ointment.
I know for a fact some players are £10,000s down on these games and of course on roulette it goes pretty much without saying that a few have caught their bollocks on the Devil's Wheel.

It really cannot be stated enough times and I'm not taking the piss out of a certain Leicester slotter when I say this, I'm in agreement entirely, it really cannot be stated enough times that....
Discipline is of key importance.

[clarkey1984]

I always post my losses as well as any wins, which is somewhat of a rarity either way as i dont really play anything very often anyway, i am more of a cameraman than a player.

Plus (going by the way you casually dropped in a referance to felixtowe, our usual stomping ground ) then even if we dont talk about how much any given JP or whatever has cost us, be sure to look in the info tab of the vid, as its all written in there the majority of the time.

[JG]

Fair enough, I was actually thinking of PMK when I mentioned Felixtowe. I thought your stomping ground was pretty much any English coastline bar Cornwall.

Plus I'm probably being a bit grumpy aren't I?

[Dunhamzzz]

nah shit rule, this site has no obligation to warn people that you can lose on fruitmachines

[InForApenny]

no way im reading all of that!
can i have the short version please

[trayhop123]

cheers for the nod george old friend ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your right , i perhaps have over-used the d word in many of my posts .

but it truly is the number 1 requirement above all other attributes bar none.



top post by the way m8 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, like the word botheration , you should write to those oxford fellow's with that one , and demand it included in their best-seller . :P

[sir ratholer]

Ob...please can you write some stories on this, I'm sure you don't win on roulettes/£500s every single time

[PMK]

Excellent post JG! I know where ur comin from!

However I feel I must balance the argument a bit.

Would you be so quick to warn people about the potential to brain out on an alien or dig it that you've just destroyed? What about an electro you know full well don't do anything for a ton?

Think about the ggg's that you've left requiring a 2 sheet for a board?

I say let people find this out for themselves, I had to and so did you!

As you know from our pm's I use to have the odd brain out on a section 16 but since they went to £1 stake I got board of every feature costing a grand! You live and learn!!!!!!

[JG]

A very good point re: Piggers and Tykers and Lyn and the Lepers. I hope this opens up the doorway for some more heinous losing stories. However when it comes to vids, 6*10mins of pure losing on You Tube may be a tad tedious and I'd like to restate that I'm not knocking Buddylove videos here, I love all the catchphrases as much as the next sports fan and would actively encourage more vids. How about one where we see the pots rolling in? Not start camera rolling on pots, but we actually see that magical yeahyeah........yeah!
Also yes it is a shit rule, I guess it's more of an invite for habitual spawny people to open up that they have a losing side. You know who you are! Let's hear your losses, no holding back. Don't tell us about the time you lost £80 if there's a time you lost 3k.
Let the hellish tales of hell begin......

[Scott]

I had a mini nightmare one day last week, the tone was set by the first machine of the day, a Copper Load, daily filler and i just get stuck in after a set period, its been brilliant almost every visit, but this time it cost £160 for £70, this is where i struggle to get motivated especially when its the first hit of the day, if i took this sort of hit mid way through a day and i was well in front it would'nt bother me (as much)



Then i just spent the rest of the day losing more, everything played up and i gave up around 2 pm in the finish, we lost £71 each, wrote it off and started a fresh the next day, it don't hurt to have the odd loss, keeps you grounded, on this particular day if i threw a fiver in the air it would have come down as a summons


I have had slightly bigger losses, but not playing roulette/S16 this is about as bad as it gets.

[trayhop123]

i seriously ,,,,,,,,,,,, cant contribute to this thread with any recent losses , but although i made 267 yesterday , it was very touch n go all day ,,,,,,,,,, everything i played was costing 70 for 70 ,,,,,,,,, unbelievable bad luck ,,,,,,,, also played 4 machines that were broke in one way or another , (broke buttons , not taking coins , one alarmed on me etc) ,really felt like going home, but persevered , infact by 8pm i was only 45 up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but then made 100 in one pub , which motivated me to carry on,


we should post more loss stories , i agree ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but its quite difficult , with the shear variety of machines on offer to fall back on to actually have a losing day at the mo.



sometimes whenever ive had a loss day , , by say 4pm , and just cant get motivated to carry on , i go and buy a playstation game , or some other load of tat that i dont really want. just to cheer myself up ( retail therapy lol ) and like scott just right it off , and start a fresh the next day .

the last major loss i had was a year or so back , put around 300 in a bucks/billy/rush variant , for the eventual 105 , losing 200 quid ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[clarkey1984]

Fair enough, I was actually thinking of PMK when I mentioned Felixtowe. I thought your stomping ground was pretty much any English coastline bar Cornwall.

Plus I'm probably being a bit grumpy aren't I?

Well it was pretty much any coastline that wasnt TOO far for a while but you soon get noticed, and some staff dont take kindly to anyone who wins,even if it was a case of 90 in for a flat 70 out, all they see is you walking away with a JP sadly, so thats all of hunstanton off limits apart from AMG which aint worth going down there for.

Plus i inadvertantly caused us to get a huge run of barrings from ingoldmells last summer, all because i was making a vid so when i saw staff i tried to hide my phone out of view, so in their defence they didnt know what i was trying to hide, so than after we left there they radio'd through to everywhere else, it was max 2 minutes in any given arcade before we got chucked out, not my finest hour. ops:

And no i don't think you are being grumpy JG, not at all, i agree with ya, i for one think its important to show both sides of the coin so to speak (pun not intended) to show that it ISN'T constant win win win, as some would try and have you believe.

[clarkey1984]

How about one where we see the pots rolling in? Not start camera rolling on pots, but we actually see that magical yeahyeah........yeah!

If you have ever owned a nokia n95, as gooder phone as they are etc,, you would also know that an n95's battery life would be nowhere near enough to try and get pots coming in on video, could get lucky after maybe 2 minutes on one, i have seen it happen, but on the few occcasions i have seen it that quick we have considered filming from the start of playing it, but there is either staff about who dont like it so not worth the risk, or we dont bother for whatever reason, mostly flat batteries,

But sods law dictates that the time we actually do try and film them pots will never come, its almost like they know lol.

You can almost imagine in a fucked up kind of way...

One pot says to all the others,

'right, listen, we gotta keep out of fuckin view boys, we cant let 3 of us out there together as it stops, some fucker is trying to get it on film, i know what we'll do, we'll keep putting 2 of you out and then ill come in at the end and wave as i go one past!'


I would love that on vid tho, yeah,yeah,,,,YEAH!

[thecannonball89]

Not suprised you get bared for filming machines