The 'joe player', CANNOT, EVER, win on this machine. They are absolultely nailed.
The happier it gets, the worse they play. Frequently take 20+ for boards and lose on VERY low wins.
I had one the other day, that needed to pay out so badly, but you couldnt win a gamble... what did it do? Drop a jackpot in on the bottom reels with ADD CASH arrows. How much do you think it went for? 50? 70? 105? £150?... nope. 35.
The only good thing about the new chip, is it doesnt matter how bad a state its in (or good), you rarely put more than 120 in for the first jackpot so you dont need to carry big floats anymore.
Ive noticed even the chefs have given up playing them now...
This is really strange as although I've been warned about various horrific programs (try the only bullet point being at £35!) I've never really seen any - occasionally one will mess me around and there are obv several chips but nothing which is truly out of the ordinary, and I'm playing tons of these every day.
I hope the chefs do give up on playing them, shouldn't be allowed. They are a fucking problem.
Although you play loads, are they in the same sort of Geographic area? Potentially that depot just aint chipped em.
Believe me, you cant fail to see the difference when you encounter them. I know you know the score and have played em for months ]
That's the thing mate, I travel miles, probably something like 70ish miles either side of my flat so a huge radius, I must cover more than a few depots so I guess I'm just lucky, I do know these programs exist tho as I've been warned about them, I know I'm gonna do sacks on one very soon...But at the moment it's happy days.
sir ratholer wrote:
Shouldn't be allowed to play them if you work there. Can you honestly say you were concentrating on your job??
It was before i started. Perks of the job that staff WILL play the machines before and after hours, deal with it.
I do deal with it. From doing the machine relentlessly (to be fair I do this with every site tho) or by reporting staff to chain head offices (sure it must be against company policy). Although all pub staff must be lifetime down on fruits (if they weren't, then they'd be playing fulltime - I'm pretty sure pub workers don't do it for job satisfaction unless they hate themselves) they are still fucking annoying as they kill the value for no financial gain on either side.
You clearly cant deal with it, your getting so worked up about it, i never play when i'm working, before or after and if you report my head office (as well as many others) would probably laugh at you, your clearly gutted that there is folk who have a chance at a machine before you do, as for job satisfaction, i've been cooking for a lot longer than i've been playing machines, don't get all fucking high and mighty about you leisurely lifestyle/job, it won't last. Then what will you do? I'm a qualified chef.
Slammer wrote:
(did you know that if you put 35 in and take 35 out of a machine, the landlord makes money? No? Its ok, most landlords dont either) but this will fizzle out.
Care to explain further your theory on this?? I'm very interested in how you come to this assumption??
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
Ive always been buzzin when staff play a fruit cos 9/10 there thick as fuck and if its the other 1/10 you just stop going cos its covered and your pissin in the wind
Slammer wrote:
(did you know that if you put 35 in and take 35 out of a machine, the landlord makes money? No? Its ok, most landlords dont either) but this will fizzle out.
Care to explain further your theory on this?? I'm very interested in how you come to this assumption??
Machine profit on AWP machines, if not emptiable, is turnover based SOLEY. It does not matter what is paid out, just what goes in, as the money paid out is a set percentage of what goes in.
If you put in £20 and win £105, the landlord makes in the long run, as £20 more has been put in.
The exception is if people specifically don't play things as they know they have paid out - I find this rare, mugs are stupid they play whatever the situation.
Nice theory but in practice is completely wrong. Putting £35 in and taking £35 out just put's the machines % behind so in theory yes the machine will be ready to take money but to say the landlord has made profit is just plain wrong.
If it makes you feel better to think that way then fine but come on!! Anything can happen in the future, machine change after a £105 top, machine break or whatever, Landlords profit is cash in his pocket not % sitting in the machine. and profit is determined on whatever day the cashier totals up the cashbox,note holder less any shortfall in the float, then VAT is calculated and then your left with the landlords profit.
Tax is payable on cash profit not % profit, & £35 in £35 out = no profit no loss.
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
bowie wrote:
You clearly cant deal with it, your getting so worked up about it, i never play when i'm working, before or after and if you report my head office (as well as many others) would probably laugh at you, your clearly gutted that there is folk who have a chance at a machine before you do, as for job satisfaction, i've been cooking for a lot longer than i've been playing machines, don't get all fucking high and mighty about you leisurely lifestyle/job, it won't last. Then what will you do? I'm a qualified chef.
Not up for getting into childish arguments but I've played machines for 10 years professionally (other members on here can back me up there - not that I have to justify myself) so it's not a leisurely lifestyle/job to me. I've got a degree in accounting and finance actually as well as numerous other qualifications and a business plan in place (and money to invest in it) for when fruits calm down so I don't think I'd be struggling too badly if things do end. Thanks for your concern though.
Slammer wrote:
(did you know that if you put 35 in and take 35 out of a machine, the landlord makes money? No? Its ok, most landlords dont either) but this will fizzle out.
Care to explain further your theory on this?? I'm very interested in how you come to this assumption??
Machine profit on AWP machines, if not emptiable, is turnover based SOLEY. It does not matter what is paid out, just what goes in, as the money paid out is a set percentage of what goes in.
If you put in £20 and win £105, the landlord makes in the long run, as £20 more has been put in.
The exception is if people specifically don't play things as they know they have paid out - I find this rare, mugs are stupid they play whatever the situation.
Yeah spot on, slammer/ob's taking the long term EV into account whereas gambogaz you're looking at it from an individual player's visit perspective. What slammer is saying is that a fruit has now played over it's % for the £35 in and out and hence the next player would have to put something like £65 in for £40 out to maintain the percentage, so the pub makes £25. If the £35 hadn't been put in and taken out, the same next player would mathematically over the long run get about £50 for his £65 - hence the pub has made £10 in EV for the original £35 in/out situation occuring before the 'next' player.
And totally agree with ob about mugs playing stuff for the sake of it, they usually want a gamble and don't give 2 thoughts to the potential win/lose situation in advance or whether there's a better potential for gambling somewhere else.
Yes I know what they're getting at but in the context of the post a landlord does not make money from someone putting in £35 and taking out £35.
Yes machines make money overall otherwise they just wouldn't exist after all that is there sole purpose. But until they've actually taken the money off someone without giving equal or more back then the lanlord hasn't made any profit and the above theory is just something to make themselves feel better about what they're doing.
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
Ok gaz lets look at a weeks basis shall we.... Say we have a pub, Ye Olde Munters Arms....It has a machine... doesnt matter what, use your imaganation...
Ok lets assume in a week no players play it, and the machines on 80% payout, if munters put in £1000, it pays out £800, and the pub makes £200....
Right, so what about if players are doing it, say 2 times a week and put in £50 for £105 on both occasions (it aint big reds this machine :P), ok lets consider what the situation is now...
Munters have the same £1000 of credits, and players have had £60 of credits. Now thats £1100 of credits played. The machine is on 80% so pays out £880 from that.... so given its payed 2*105 = £210 already, this means munters get £670 from their £1000 credits.
Ok so lets consider which situation the landlord makes more out off.... £220 if its being done, and £200 if its not...... Now can you see why even winning on it is doing him a favour, as all that is happening is that other people are LOSING MORE (ie. on top of what they used to lose) THAN PLAYERS ARE PROFITING BY!
all that is happening is that other people are LOSING MORE
That does make sense - but how often do we get the old "I'll have to ask you to not play that anymore as MY REGULARS have given up as you keep winning on it..."
So in your example, after those 2x£105s have come out, hardly anyone will bother playing it, leading to the profit for the landlord being a lot LESS than usual...
I guess it's sort of depends on how busy the pub is / how many regulars and non-regulars play on the machine, etc.
I think we'll all agree that we'd have a hard time convincing a landlord that 'me taking £105 out of his holiday money will actually be good for him!'
"And do you ever contradict yourself, Minister?" "Well, yes and no..."
I fully understood what you where getting at in the 1st place. but it's all based heavily on hearsay. As Matt has said local's may (and here in is the problem, may, nobody knows what could happen)just stop playing it as it seems such a shit machine.
Some pubs (Especially city centre pubs) in theory it'll work as it's a lot of passing munters.
Local pubs different kettle of fish.
It can't be a coincidence that I've had loads of reds get changed a hell of a lot quicker than DOND's e,t,c.
As much as landlords hate seeing people take big money out of their machine the end of the day they're interested in takings, only the knobhead few would get rid of a machine taking more than the previous 1 just to stop people winning on it.
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
sir ratholer wrote:
Shouldn't be allowed to play them if you work there. Can you honestly say you were concentrating on your job??
Can someone please tell me, what the Fuck is the fascination with people that work in Pub Kitchens and Fruit Machines? It appears to me, if you are a cook / dishwasher, then you HAVE to be interested in fruit machines. I have noticed this since £10 jackpots hit the pubs - always been the same.
If I spot a cook watching me, I really goto town making it look like Ive lost on it with a few gentle blows to the glass, slap the buttons, perfectly timed mutterings when he walks past and so on, literally praying that he does his absolute nuts in it. It is something that REALLY, REALLY gets on my goat.
The absolute fuckign worst, is when you walk into a pub for doors and have to wait for the bastard staff to get OFF the fucking machine before you can play it, or the thing aint backing and you know its been refilled.
WANKERS!!!
I can almost taste the resentment, it's great, i know exactly when and how much each machine in my pub has been filled, i'll also know wether the mutterings and button hammering are genuine or not.
Hopefully your machines will get tooled to buggery and your gaffer will get so sick of them, he will remove them and install a Table in there place.
TBH, its not so much about them playing that annoys me - Its the fact that 9/10 of the wankers lie about you on the machine and get you barred / bring heat on you cos they are jealous.
A nice idea for people on here that get this shit - is to order a cheap dish and complain about it and try and make as many people in the pub to hear the complaint and get your money back. Especially things like a hair in it
gambogaz1 wrote:
It can't be a coincidence that I've had loads of reds get changed a hell of a lot quicker than DOND's e,t,c.
As much as landlords hate seeing people take big money out of their machine the end of the day they're interested in takings, only the knobhead few would get rid of a machine taking more than the previous 1 just to stop people winning on it.
This is way off topic, so I'm going to start a new topic for it :-)
But before I go...
This is incorrect, as most landlords are indeed stupid and just dont believe/understand and the distributors do nothing to help here.
Besides, pubs that have 2 or more machines, dont actually get to know that the Vortex is actually taking more than the DOND unless they actually ASK for the meter readings and THEN understand them (which they wont).
