Hi Lo Silver - Rechip / Battered / Fiddled / Lower %age / ?

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:37 pm

Yeah i 100% agree for once mate. People saying i've got better things to be playing than cluedos/reds blah blah are just trying to make themselves look special. Why deny yourself easy money? There's no way people have enough other things to fill a day with, so i don't buy that argument at all.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:03 pm

[quote="ob"]OK this isn't a personal attack mark, don't take it the wrong way, but I think your on a loser here, the refill knowledge does mean something.

I've heard this rubbish from this so called "great players" countless times, oh I don't need to key, I'm too good blah blah, well quite frankly it's a LOAD OF RUBBISH. As I said it's no pivotal, but it is certainly information you'd like to know - ie. yesterday cash or bust, not a done area, wasn't full and was pretty dead, without a key I'm leaving it]

OB... "not a done area" - I'd have brute forced it, 20 light or not.

Im not going into this Hilo Silver debate any longer. When they do fcking chip it, I'll explain it all, until then, you lot can just do your bollox. Meanwhile, I'll play any HiLo, in any town, with no key. If it goes empty, I'll just bank it. Not my problem as its probably tooled anyway.

We've had this 'red' argument for years, I cant be arsed to get into it for the 1000th time. You love em, I hate em and what they've done to the industry, end of.

Since keeping on top of things, I play reds and make good money (keyless). However, I couldnt get in my car (key or no key) and drive to Leicester and start happily playing them as blind as Spyder is to free info.

This key business is pissing me off, so I'm gonna start a thread dedicated to it, as this is wildly off topic now.

Winstoppers / Cluedos / Reds, all shit. In the old days, we wouldnt have played any of them, except maybe if they were in a pub we were in there already for, for something else. But in 2008, your forced to.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:07 pm

Mattb wrote:Yeah i 100% agree for once mate. People saying i've got better things to be playing than cluedos/reds blah blah are just trying to make themselves look special. Why deny yourself easy money? There's no way people have enough other things to fill a day with, so i don't buy that argument at all.

"Why deny yourself easy money?" You make it sound like its guaranteed? Anybody that says reds are guaranteed money is a fucking lier, surely this is not what you are saying?

With a lot of work (keeping on top, PR etc) you will win overall, yes. Thats where I draw the line.

Licensing hours generally mean that you can play from 11-11. Wasting 2 hours on a Snakes that needs recycling 12 times for a 20 loss .... hm.... I think my time could have been better spent.

joe3_3 · Post by **joe3_3** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:51 pm

Snakes is not a good example of a 'good red' though is it.
Dont think many people on here would say otherwise, i'll play them but cautiously.
But as far as reds are concerned I love them as a whole.

You moan alot slammer dont you?

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:16 pm

This is probably 1 of the best discussions I've seen on here. Both sides have got valid points, but it's becoming apparent that there's 2 styles of players clashing here.
On the 1 hand you've got the player who will not touch a machine unless he knows he's got a trick on it and is 95% likely to make money on it.
On the other hand you've got the player that has some tricks but not really recent stuff and knows how much money reds can earn you all be it with a high risk of losses.

For every Red that takes up 2 hours of your time recycling for a loss theres a red that drops it's bollocks in minutes for hefty profits. Theres 2 players my way that flattly refuse to play COB which is fine by me. Over £100 profit from just 2 units on friday.

1 Thing you gotta start taking into account is machines just aren't getting pumped like they used to.

JG · Post by JG » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:22 pm

The point Mark is making is that on any

joe3_3 · Post by **joe3_3** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:11 pm

Do you post on betfair jg?

ob · Post by ob » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:05 am

gambogaz1 wrote: On the other hand you've got the player that has some tricks but not really recent stuff and knows how much money reds can earn you all be it with a high risk of losses.
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Ok I would say 90%+ off the reds I take on are not losses, that's a gamble I'm willing to take, taking on ones in none-done areas, when they are not miles short... this isn't a high risk of a loss in anyone's book.

Globals are a completely different story BUT I'd still reckon you do well overall on them, so certainly don't disregard them.

Mark (don't wanna turn this into an attack on you lol just using it as an example) as a casino etc. gambler, you should know that with any edge on gambling, you should take it on, that is indeed how card counting works, so even if you are playing to 105% payout, you will do it, unless it takes silly amounts of time.

Cleudo's/winstoppers/reds, are all good money, and to be quite honest, with enough locations of them, you should easily be on £200+ a day at the bare minimum, so I can't see how you would call this poor.

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:17 am

£200 a day if cluedos stopers and reds, fuck me where you from?

pickareel · Post by **pickareel** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:30 am

hes butchering rick hits,have u no shame richard

Been-Grant-Mitchell'd! · Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 am

Cor! You don't half get arsey when someone disagrees with you, don't you Mark?

Chill! Don't bite! As long as you're making money, sod 'em!

As for people saying "I don't play reds, Cluedos' or whatever" fine. I'll have them, and so will loads of other players.

No machine is crap if it's paying out is it?

Been-Grant-Mitchell'd! · Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:56 am

But . . . . . there ARE better things out there to fill your days with!

pickareel · Post by **pickareel** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:03 am

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:08 am

Slammer wrote:
Mattb wrote:Yeah i 100% agree for once mate. People saying i've got better things to be playing than cluedos/reds blah blah are just trying to make themselves look special. Why deny yourself easy money? There's no way people have enough other things to fill a day with, so i don't buy that argument at all.

"Why deny yourself easy money?" You make it sound like its guaranteed? Anybody that says reds are guaranteed money is a fucking lier, surely this is not what you are saying?

With a lot of work (keeping on top, PR etc) you will win overall, yes. Thats where I draw the line.

Licensing hours generally mean that you can play from 11-11. Wasting 2 hours on a Snakes that needs recycling 12 times for a 20 loss .... hm.... I think my time could have been better spent.

No they aren't guaranteed, but then again nothing is. But compared to most other dross then they are. They keep myself and plenty of others with pockets of quids so they've got to be worth it surely. Cluedos/Monopoly is either there or not, again an easy tell and so long as you know who has been about, a profit to be made. It just can't be turned down in my view.

ob · Post by ob » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:35 am

pickareel wrote:hes butchering rick hits,have u no shame richard

lol shush, I've got enough stuff already

and tbh I cant see how £200+ day is that hard with say 2-3 reds a day, a few globals (yes I do play them sometimes), a few stoppers, (and a few club machines that I cover but that isnt necessary for the money)... they can't be in done areas though obviously

If there is better and easier money out there, then so be it, I'll take what I get.