JG wrote:Mark, lines only come from the invincible 'reflex' (It's a reflex, not strictly a pot) if they are hit above £6. They come from the same place that all those big stoppers came from on p1.
Reflex, Pot, Strawberry Sandwich - all the same.
No seriously, ok, reflex.
Anyway, it comes from the IM, that isnt really an IM if you get me.
P1 actually proves that these come from a different place to the 'big win' pot. As you can twat 8/15/20/35 for fun, but the lines will still come if you were to rotate on the machine long enough.
The question is, where is that different place?
Is it just a 'no man's land' pot where wins get sent out to, broken down and sold to China with the relevant registration documents?
I'm sorry Mark, I'm having a bit of trouble believeing there is a dedicated pot on this machine that is capable of actually allowing lines, but I respect your knowledge as a fruit machinist and have updated my data banks accordingly to acknowledge that this is probably the truth.
I've said it again but this machine was so different to Power 5s in how it recognised value. You could do an Anfield and put a p5 £1000s behind, but a dial will always recover far quicker. Basically some of those big win stoppers were just totally free weren't they?
I remember taking £250 out of the one in Hollywood Bowl in Leicester and deliberately planning to lose almost a 1'er back to see how it picked up and what else I could learn. That was my golden opportunity to learn about y'know before the p2 came out, an opportunity which I missed. What I did notice was that within £50 it definitely felt looser and I even blagged a £20 board due to some kind numbers and that was without any 'weird' hits. I didn't get to Mega Streak with my 1'er, but when I decided to run it down, it definitely had stored some value, unless it was all part of some complex reflex apple pie stuff.
Basically DOND wiyb is more about reflexes than forcing out for red chefs.
It doesn't matter how much I made or didn't make on dials, I will always look back with regret, but that was THE machine, the game you wait years for. I remember hitting £15 on ws, and next press getting in via boost and getting £12 off ws, then the dial began landing, a good 3 months before I persevered and started mt-ing them. I thought to myself "that isn't right", in the same way that it wasn't right that shoot em up was accessible on arcadia when dead, or getting hold after nudge for barcode on a kebab that wasn't ready for anything.
Regrets.
These regrets come to me mostly when i'm in a shithole pub playing a p3 with the burly landlord on my left shoulder, and i'm reminiscing about being sat on a p1 or 2 in a lovely sweet chain pub, with a rack of barbeque sauce-smothered ribs with spiral fries at my side.
JG wrote:The question is, where is that different place?
Is it just a 'no man's land' pot where wins get sent out to, broken down and sold to China with the relevant registration documents?
I'm sorry Mark, I'm having a bit of trouble believeing there is a dedicated pot on this machine that is capable of actually allowing lines, but I respect your knowledge as a fruit machinist and have updated my data banks accordingly to acknowledge that this is probably the truth.
I've said it again but this machine was so different to Power 5s in how it recognised value. You could do an Anfield and put a p5 £1000s behind, but a dial will always recover far quicker. Basically some of those big win stoppers were just totally free weren't they?
I remember taking £250 out of the one in Hollywood Bowl in Leicester and deliberately planning to lose almost a 1'er back to see how it picked up and what else I could learn. That was my golden opportunity to learn about y'know before the p2 came out, an opportunity which I missed. What I did notice was that within £50 it definitely felt looser and I even blagged a £20 board due to some kind numbers and that was without any 'weird' hits. I didn't get to Mega Streak with my 1'er, but when I decided to run it down, it definitely had stored some value, unless it was all part of some complex reflex apple pie stuff.
Basically DOND wiyb is more about reflexes than forcing out for red chefs.
There is not a seperate pot, purely for lines - It comes out the IM that isnt really an IM pot (as do cash-ladder repeats).
I had some really weird stuff happen on P1 Winstoppers myself where you just couldnt kill them and if anyone played on 50p with half a clue it would almost certainly go empty. I think they do a sorta pseudo roll. In fact I did bank one in loughboro for 80+ when I just couldnt stop it bloody paying out, which was annoying as it was a straggler, but other people were banking the Leicester ones at that time anyway.
I didnt really do much experimentation with the P1's to be honest, too busy sending myself cross-eyed on them instead ;-)
Yes, I remember killing the one in Newport Pagnell Southbound for the £150 to the light, then it offerred DOND with MS in box. I took that and decided to wind it down. It just wouldn't die I tell you!
Seriously it'd roll in dial on 50p with the flippin' red sevens and it'd come back before you had lost the money from the previous dial. It was a really wierd on its arse quadruple dial mega reflex. Just would not flippin' die. I know and you've said it yourself these have 'moods' but that was extreme. Probably on 72+6%LL and playing like a brand new hyper 92% machine in a chain arcade.
I think ive played enough of these to offer my opinion in that i believe there to be a seperate "pot" for offering lines. Play enough of these and you will realise they are offered mainly by superhold and also offered twice a lot of the time if not every time. Lines are offered approx with every 4 / 6 hours of play in my experience. Think of them as taking a much smaller % into each pot for lines compared with the dial pot that fills up very quickly. And as you can see that the dial pot is very similar to the lines pot in many ways!
As for the original poster, i dont think it matters what you do in those kind of pubs. Been in many places where it just doesnt matter what you do. Even been barred for losing before! There is no answer for these places other than let them struggle on until the day comes flats are more profitable.
Err..can all of you 'out-of-towners' leave Loughborough and Leicester alone and go and dig gold somewhere else ?? I'm going to set up a passport boundary. You can only get through on presentation and confiscation of the following chips :P1 wiyb : P1 Power 5's P1 Snake rattle and rolls and p1 Cop the Lots.
Failure to come up with the goods will result in the mandatory surrender of your float including a strip search for any hidden nuggets and you will be subjected to a 2hr imprisonment in a very small room with a Showtime.
Confucius say "man who know wombat know more than stupid looking monkey"
anfield road wrote:4-6 hours??? fucking hell yours must be miles ahead! I have sat on stoppers for 5 hours before and its rare as fuck i get lines
I guarantee its because you play them differently and are extracting value from the IM pot as you go along, where as the other poster is not.
Am I correct in interpreting that as "Anfield has the dark presses to make inroads into the contentious im pot whilst the other poster does not have the dark presses"
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Ok let's think back to the p1s, actually not at the moment. Off to bed.
who the hell would want lines instead of IM? and how the hell are you meant to know that the IM pot and the lines pot come from the same ''saved pot'' there is no way in hell of knowing lol!!!
kidgloves wrote:Err..can all of you 'out-of-towners' leave Loughborough and Leicester alone and go and dig gold somewhere else ?? I'm going to set up a passport boundary. You can only get through on presentation and confiscation of the following chips :P1 wiyb : P1 Power 5's P1 Snake rattle and rolls and p1 Cop the Lots.
Failure to come up with the goods will result in the mandatory surrender of your float including a strip search for any hidden nuggets and you will be subjected to a 2hr imprisonment in a very small room with a Showtime.
You can try?
I might setup a road block to prevent kiddies from leaving the motorway, that would stop you at the first hurdle!
anfield road wrote:who the hell would want lines instead of IM? and how the hell are you meant to know that the IM pot and the lines pot come from the same ''saved pot'' there is no way in hell of knowing lol!!!
1. The lines are guaranteed JP.
2. Im not talking about the IM with the 3 flashing phones here, in other words, the IM is not a guaranteed JP. It is the bellfruit IM but not IM really (tm) that we are discussing.
Yes not so much IM but more of a £35 capable board, which is triggered by sufficient separate contribution.
The annoying scenarios of course are when you trigger the board in such a way that it looks vague, for example hi middle......3,8,9... cash boosts up to £3 (50p board), collect, and it repeats.
Great, now you know that board is in there somewhere, and you've got all the shit boards with gambles losing for no reason to look forward to while you wait for it to come back.
So Mark, why the hell don't I see flashing red phones on any of the p3s now? Just unlucky, or is it all these bloomin' pro players going around playing out these bloody cyclic reflexed red lines/pot boards that kill off that red phone reflex? Are the red phones just over spill from poorly played im boards, say if someone collects £3 red, it chews off a bit which goes into another pot then all the 1ps and 2ps from that other pot collect in one big pot and when that pot is >£35 and the random number 15346 is selected prior to a spin then the im is triggerreegggerred?
This maybe, might be, is definitely not the case as when playing out the pea one whyB? and the Peter two Wiyber? I would only see £35 flashes once well behind. If flash early ahead may be £45-£90. Or was this to do with the compensation reflux? Basically this is a reflex but is like gastro oesophogeal reflux in that if a dial is £20 behind and it is due what one may pertain to be a cyclic red phone im then it goes "AH! I SEEM TO BE DEAD. I SHALL ONLY AFFORD £35 of THIS FREE GIFTED REFLEX FLASH POT TO THE CURRENT PUNTER."
If it sees lots of value does it go "AH! I SEEM TO HAVE LOTS OF VALUE AND I SEE IT IS NOW TIME FOR A CYCLIC (contentious) FLASH. I WILL NOW CREDIT BREAK A COUPLE OF TIMES AND OFFER ANOTHER FLASH NEXT BOARD, 'COS IT'S ALRIGHT I HAVE SOME VALUE IN MY MAIN POT. CHEERS, WIYB."
Incidentally the lines you are on about ARE the lines from the rotational 'gimmie' board that can still lose. The lines I was on about are the lines that are in line for lining up when you are on the nub of percentage. Basically when it is NOT quite RANDOM STOPPA capable. I'm talking random stoppa to £1.50 here, not the random RANDOM stoppa that is MEGA STREAK capable that you see on Power 5 and WIYB?
So assuming it's not the random random stoppa and jut the random stoppa which you can't quite see but you get the third skill for the dial and it is capable of stepping, like the ultra rare semi-comatose jackpot capable respinner onto red sevens. Prise in lines from here and they aren't going above £10. FACT. Also they time out quite quickly, like a Psycho Cash beast offerring winstopper off bonus, you'er not reading this any more are you MArk? You're thinking about cake. Well bollocks.
