TOOLERS BEWARE

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:26 pm

Few of my mates did,cant say i was in thos game when that was about!

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:27 pm

betchrider wrote:Can i ask how many on here did the random spinner?Ill start the ball rolling by saying i did!Can we add to that keying an extreme which i also did!

Nah i werent really playing back then, sounds like fun though lol

Martal~Wombat · Post by **Martal~Wombat** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:39 pm

keyed many an extreme, never did rs's

red22 · Post by **red22** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:53 pm

keyed extremes to death yeah ... enjoyed it too.

dont carry a key these days too much trouble. 3 arrests enough for me when i wouldnt have been arrested if i didnt have a refil key.

Mr McStreak · Post by **Mr McStreak** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:34 am

I must admit I did plenty of random spinners, I thought it was the trick of a lifetime, but I also remember feeling very uncomfortable doing them, because it does amount to fraud in my eyes. In some arcades I did 2 at the same time, but only chain arcades, I never did the same arcade twice. I hit mainly the east coast, and obviously a lot of seaside arcades are owned by people from a travelling background, and I was acutely aware of how the fault would be perceived if I got gripped. That trick was as close to crime as you can get....but in the eyes of the arcade owners.

Doing a P2 stopper just filled me with a sense of achievement, because you always learned something new whilst doing it.To me it represented a challenge of the mind, like playing Gary Kasparov at chess, or something similar. No guilt or fear of recrimination, just 'cheers bellfruit, thanks for creating this wonderful machine, which despite being frustrating occasionally is generally a joy to play'

Basically faults or deliberate flaws in programming are there to be exploited. Piss easy ones like supercharged, money laundry, lucky strike etc are inevitably quickly fixed, its the ones which require patience, skill, intelligence, and to some extent a reasonable knowledge of machines profiles, which last.

Houston · Post by **Houston** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:42 am

If you can beat the fruit genuinely, without any devices or keys, then this can't be seen as fraud.

Whether you agree with tooling or not, it's 100% theft.

Random Spinner? Yeah, I liked that but this was seen as a "Grey area"; somewhere in the middle of theft and intelligent play.

Chip 'n Spin was without question 100% legal.

Most of the general public have a single view of machines in that they (the fruit) will always win, but they can't see that the machine is only as clever as the guy who programmed it.

steven · Post by **steven** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:49 am

I also was making a grand a day off random spinners but i worked on the west coast from rhyl, through llandudno, down as far as bristol, there are still plenty of workers on the west side of britain due to the fact of the moc system which is the reason things last a lot longer on the west side of britain

SilverSurfer · Post by **SilverSurfer** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:46 am

Oh, so Mr McStreak IS alive! I found his Mr A & Mr B comparison make-believe story entertaining, if amusingly biased...

The truth is that toolers are the scum if the earth, the lowest of the low.

Now I know that the playing way and tooling way on an empty results in the same, I was amused when it was pointed out that the toolers probably spend more money in the pub in the process but the point is they are stealing.

In order to really emphasise this point, let us take Mr McStreak's example but change the endings...

Mr A is about 10 minutes away from finishing off PLAYING the Cash Beast, he's running it down... the landlord taps him on the shoulder and says, "Look pal, you know what you're doing and you've had a nice result but I don't want you taking my customers' money because you're not a regular so please leave." Which Mr A does, feeling a bit hard done by but happy he got out as much as he did and thinks nothing more of it and neither does the landlord...

Mr B is about 5 minutes away from finishing off playing the Cash Beast with his £2 bar, he has taken out slightly more than Mr A had by this point because he is playing it using the same method only he is not losing coins back into the hopper. The landlord taps him on the shoulder, and says the same stuff, only he's got his 2 mates are there too so the landlord is nervous and afraid. He tries to show firmness and strength by not leaving until they are gone but there is a problem... Unlike Mr A, Mr B & Co. CANNOT leave without taking their bar out and that's not easy because it was a very tight fit. The landlord becomes aggitated, Mr B and his mates are panicking because they cannot afford to lose this bar - it is their cashcard. The situation can escalate into whatever you want to imagine but there's no way the toolers are leaving without their bar and there's no way the landlord is budging until they are gone...

Does it result in violence? You decide, the point is even if they end up beating up the landlord or the regulars end up killing them, however it ends - it can't end up as well as it did for Mr A because, when he was asked to leave, he did - without any worries about his tool being stuck up the machine or have to pull his bar out.

Put simply, from this angle it is clear as day why I call toolers scum and why they need to become extinct...

HOWEVER... let us examine ANOTHER scenario...
Mr A has 2 dials to do, he knows someone else knows and does them but he has caught one full up and wants to do it as quickly as he can so he can get to the next one. Mr B walks in and asks Mr A where a certain machine is and promises to sort him out if he tells him. He offers to dump Mr A's dial in 20 seconds and he can keep all the money and still rush off to do the other one. He points out that its not really stealing because they all know Mr A will empty the machine anyway so why waste time? The quicker he leaves it, the sooner the machine can be filled up by addicts. Would Mr A be right or wrong to accept/refuse Mr B's help and why?

Blackcurrantsoda · Post by **Blackcurrantsoda** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:38 am

HOWEVER... let us examine ANOTHER scenario...
Mr A has 2 dials to do, he knows someone else knows and does them but he has caught one full up and wants to do it as quickly as he can so he can get to the next one. Mr B walks in and asks Mr A where a certain machine is and promises to sort him out if he tells him. He offers to dump Mr A's dial in 20 seconds and he can keep all the money and still rush off to do the other one. He points out that its not really stealing because they all know Mr A will empty the machine anyway so why waste time? The quicker he leaves it, the sooner the machine can be filled up by addicts. Would Mr A be right or wrong to accept/refuse Mr B's help and why?[/quote]

I had this situation years ago, i was playing a cpcb for pot in Brean near Weston. some boys from the south coast came in to dump it. I was 80 into it and things were looking pretty grim, they offered to buy me out for 150 so I did, (they were using the opto light to dump hopper). In those days with the poor cctv and lack of security it was a risk but a risk worth taking. Don't forget if you were to let someone dump the machine for you and you are there you might as well be a tooler as well. On the cctv you could have been the guy who went in first to play the machine and make it look sweet. it's difficult because I know how easy this tool is and it makes me angry to see how much money is being made so simply. The strange thing is Gamestec seem to have taken over Leisurelink without realising the problems they were about to incure. And they still seem oblivious to the problem (floating machines that are clearly being dumped). It amazes me how they are not more on top of it, all it would take is for one security team to set up a few cameras in a certain Wetherspoons and just wait.....

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:47 am

You cud be on a random spinner for 5hours and still be behind?

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:12 am

I don't normally get up at this time, but I was rudely awakened by the noise of the police and officials from the Foreign Office battering down my front door. They were acting on a tip-off from silversurfer and said they were going to deport me! Can you believe it??

They were a bit flummoxed when I asked them where they were deporting me to. Not only was I born in Britain, but apparently no country will accept me as I'm a known tooling apologist.

So I'm afraid you're stuck with me.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:52 am

If Mr B and his mates wanted to start a fight in my pub I'd call up Mr T (from the A Team) and Mr C (from The Shamen) to sort them out.

dannyedge25 · Post by **dannyedge25** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:29 am

silversurfer av heard the reason you hate toolers so much is because you have bin trying so long to get hold of a tool yourself but you cant because none of the toolers like ya an tell ya to fuck off. so obviously just bitter and jealous.

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:44 am

cannonball obviously never had random spinner , i had it for about 8-9 days b4 they all got chipped , coverd skirts of brum , and two in the litchfield arcade ,,,, must have done 30+ of em ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and cannonball m8 it would be impossible to be behind after 10mins , let alone hours.

dannyedge25 · Post by **dannyedge25** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:46 am

roughly how much did ya make?