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danny_bfmv · Post by **danny_bfmv** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:26 am

Hi,

I work in a litten tree and some guys came in tonight, i knew what they were up to straight away, they ran over to bot quiz machines before purchasing two half's of lager.

anyway carried on working and then matey drops almost 50quid out of it i'm pretty sure they was playing the roulette game.

is there anything on it or just skill??

i don't care whether the machine makes money or not, at the end of the day I'm just a supervisor i don't see any of it!

Thanks

Dan.

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:41 am

I'm not sure there is a Roulette game on the Paragons but as that sort of game is not my area of expertise I tend to leave them alone so maybe someone else could confirm this?

In any case the answer to your question is that there was almost certainly skill involved, as opposed to some form of 'cheating', however you choose to define that term. In terms of the question and answer games I have always played, the skill comes in two fundamental areas:

- the obvious one of being able to correctly answer lots of questions quickly

- the more subtle one of recognising when a game is getting ready to pay out its Jackpot. Many games (most of the modern ones in fact) never actually do pay out a Jackpot and so there aren't really signs to look out for but for the smaller subset of games that do so the signs are normally there - more bonuses, easier points targets, no impossible questions (spoilers) and so on.

Recognising these signs and then being able to benefit from them are the key skills and these are likely to be the reasons why they were able to win £50 out of whatever they were playing.

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:48 am

The only roulette on Paragon is the 'Casino Royale' game which does not seem to have much of a skill element at all. Discussed widely in another thread.

http://www.fruitchat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=10533

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:50 am

I'm pretty sure that there is some sort of AWP game on the Paragons at the moment; not sure what it is but I'd suspect that you are right in thinking it was behind the payout you witnessed. (Edit: QM has rightly recalled it's Casino Royale: see above.)

Nothing on the Paragons (and indeed few SWP games in general) offer a £50JP at the moment. I think it would be do-able for a pretty good player to take £50 out of a Paragon in one sitting from a variety of SWP games but I think it would require the machine to have been pretty badly played since last being updated - and it would be difficult to do very rapidly. But it would be a challenge and I think it's more likely that these guys would have been playing the Paragon AWP.

As to the methods used, I haven't played the game at all so couldn't be at all sure.

Been-Grant-Mitchell'd! · Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:20 pm

Is there a Deal Or No Deal on there too? Similar thing happened in my mates pub a few days ago. Two guys were on the quiz and blatantly let us see they were on Casino Royale. £40+ came out and by the time my mate got over to it they had just chosen Casino Royale again. They got the money from a different game then switched over to the Roulette hoping to fox him. Looking on the camera, management saw that it was a Deal game that paid the dough. But that game has questions! What's the score?

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:31 pm

An obvious question - if the (CCTV?) camera is so good that it can identify what game has paid out a £40 prize, can't your mate just watch the tape to see how they win the £40 prize? i.e. watch the actual Deal Or No Deal game that ended in a Jackpot?

It is certainly possible to win a decent prize on the question-based Deal Or No Deal but extremely rare to win the JP - either £20 on the 50p game or £40 on the £1 game. The game 'protects' the JP by never giving it to you as the selected box. I've won it once on the £20 game from several hundred endgames and have never won the £40 from maybe a couple of hundred endgames. In each case the true odds would be to win the JP once in every 16 endgames.

Been-Grant-Mitchell'd! · Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:47 pm

yeah, I suppose he could've seen how he done it exactly, but the manager watched it without my mate. Would have liked to have known what happened though.

petera · Post by **petera** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:02 pm

Ive "heard" that theres something to do with getting £11 in pot on casino game then switching to DOND
Makes no sense to me as I dont play them

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:25 pm

Might be something in that. That sort of thing has happened before.

anfield road · Post by **anfield road** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:39 pm

maybe it was on a luminar?

dannyedge25 · Post by **dannyedge25** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:10 pm

anfield rd an the luminar obsession

betchrider · Post by **betchrider** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:46 pm

£40 is doable quite alot on these they probably just pissed about wi screen when they saw your mate looking

Properpro · Post by **Properpro** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:44 am

cool wrote:commiserations dan for working in a Litten Tree.Which one?Please dont say Bournemouth---re earlier posts ad nauseam.

Leave it Cool, it's over!

blingking · Post by **blingking** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:22 am

Hats off to Dan for admitting to work in a litten tree, if i were him i would have had to lie and say i worked in Mc D's or something with a little more cred.

Anyway, paragons are great if you like to donate!

:P

danny_bfmv · Post by **danny_bfmv** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:21 am

cool wrote:'I work in a litten tree and some guys came in tonight, i knew what they were up to straight away, they ran over to bot quiz machines before purchasing two half's of lager'.
commiserations dan for working in a Litten Tree.Which one?Please dont say Bournemouth---re earlier posts ad nauseam.

Lol thanks guys!!!

trying desperately to get out!

i work in bedford so if anyones about pop in maybe you can teach me a few tricks

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there is a DoND on the machine just 50p play though!