Percentage Payout?

Stevie S · Post by **Stevie S** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:34 pm

Just wondering if people think that machines that have needed a new chip do not play to the so called percentage payout? My experience would tell me that once a machine has been rechipped it just claws back all the loses in one sick foul swoop and then gets thrown to the fiver jackpot pile.

tommya · Post by **tommya** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:50 pm

a classic example hilo silver 70 pounder were brill when released then the chips come out proper poo no way on the same %

Master of Games · Post by **Master of Games** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:30 pm

I've seen what they did to these PD's - fucking criminals they are! The 1st poor punter who plays one of them is likely to refund all we took in our little co-oridinated attack on them! Pots all reset to lowest levels, takes £10+ just to get on the board on each stake. Anyone who asks if I feel bad going around raping their machines for anything I can get will get the reply, "Oh, my heart FUCKING bleeds!"

The real crooks in this game are the creators. Its ok for them to fix a game to take money, when the tables are turned and we can make their creations work for us, we're criminals and piss takers. I say well done who anyone and everyone who makes money out of this game on our side of the fence, those scrooges don't deserve any sympathy for the way they behave, the lies they spread, the pictures they paint of us through their employees who do nothing but waffle all day long and steal whatever they know they can. Don't tell me they don't deliberately make these faults so they can sell the re-chips! Isn't it funny, the most mass produced deals are the ones which have the "scams" on them. How convenient...

deano8177 · Post by **deano8177** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:42 pm

tommya wrote:a classic example hilo silver 70 pounder were brill when released then the chips come out proper poo no way on the same %

The silvers where good on the first program, now they just take the % before the pot and not after. A lot of fruits do.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:49 pm

deano8177 wrote:
tommya wrote:a classic example hilo silver 70 pounder were brill when released then the chips come out proper poo no way on the same %
The silvers where good on the first program, now they just take the % before the pot and not after. A lot of fruits do.

Correct. The new program just made them take more before going in, and can offer more than a tenner on a board, which p1s pretty much can't.

Stevie S · Post by **Stevie S** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:07 pm

I played a perfect the other day and guess what, it was red boxing straight away! I thought "You dirty fuckers are making these red box all the time to make the average punters think it could be worth a force and lose a fortune". :x Well onto them!

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:52 pm

New programs, if not the p3 winstoper wouldnt ever be ahead.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:08 pm

depends on the reason for the chip

stuff in the past got destroyed instead of rechipped, just the ticket and special brew got dumped and remade into another machine

other stuff made up for the percentage loss within a hundred quid of credits, so wasnt too noticeable

stuff that gets ripped and ripped to fuck and go £1000's behind get ram cleared, and the target and actual percentage go back to factory settings..

deano8177 · Post by **deano8177** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:27 pm

Most new programs start from fresh, take a look at the cash pots on perfect deals.

Stevie S · Post by **Stevie S** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:30 pm

I just can't help but think they are made to play in a more deceitful way like giving red boxes and dond games but with constantly shit boxes and offers etc.

deano8177 · Post by **deano8177** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:45 pm

If it done that it would mean there was value. And there is no chance in that,

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:56 pm

box is random aint it?

Stevie S · Post by **Stevie S** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:33 pm

I really don't know jack if I am honest, I think it is if you rip the dons game but a natural one will be based on percentage.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:45 pm

deano8177 wrote:Most new programs start from fresh, take a look at the cash pots on perfect deals.

but what everyone seems to be missing is the INTERNAL part of the machine controls all of the externals, the only things that should stay the same are the meters.. if the program resets the %age, then the meters wouls reset too.. which if i remember correctly, is illegal.. just like the miles on a car

as for fixing dond PD, possibly a chip in the machine has reset the cashpot values.. which is meaningless as the "accumlative" win is only paid at a point when the machine's target percentage is higher than the current percentage with enough variance in financial units to pay the amount shown...

afaik a ram clear doesnt reset the meters, but does force the machine to start from ideal target percentage, the variance will be collected in a ratio over time, just as variance occours normally, the edge will be shaved off of any accumalitive pots or streak profile.

a cashpot resetting is meaningless, as due to the chip, it will rebuild to whatever it has to without paying it, wich it doesnt seem to have to pay anyway, its just a red-herring to make people think the machine is ready. (unless theres an empy to rip it over and over again for free???)

Stevie S · Post by **Stevie S** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:48 am

I found another one not to long ago that was also red boxing straight away but playing balls. Really expensive boards, poo offers etc.