If it all does end

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:41 pm

"" AS LONG AS WE HAVE PERCENTAGE BASED GAMING , DODGY PROGRAMMERS AND/OR HUMAN ERROR ,,,,,,,,,,THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE PRO PLAYER ELEMENT ''''

tell you what ,,,,,, here's a question you've not answered yet ......

respect the fact you cant reveal exactly what this is ,,, yet

so answer this at least

1, why the secrecy ? , 2, who will this effect if revealed too early ? ,,,,,,, 3, and most bizarre ,,,,,,, what are the personal reprocussions to you , if you reveal this too early,,,,, in other words ,,,,,,,, whats the skin off your nose ? ,,,,,,,, will the boys be round to beat you up ? lol[/quote]

I get told a fair few things in confidence some which isn't that sensitive but some of it is. If I did spell it out on here it wouldn't be very hard for the person who's told me to realise I've instantly put some confidential stuff out there. In fact I often get permission before I make a post depending what subject I'm posting about and sometimes I get asked to make posts on behalf of people who don't use this forum, to fish something out or test the water so to speak.

There would be no boys round to beat me up but it is essential that Im trusted. I've sometimes been asked to ask about machines on here so I can see if I get any significant pm's or emails that need reporting to those who have asked. This insight is essential because it provides some idea of how the time scale of something is going to be carried out. It could be said in some ways that I'm a middle man in between the top chain and the regular player. Maybe I've said that wrong because I know there are many different levels of players and in some regards the so called 'top of the chain' aren't really players.

Just as a thought, when your in a social club or snooker club, how many club players do you see coming in to make a profit? What I've been told is definatley reliable but I sincerely hope that it doesn't work out or is in some way rejected. Problem is, the significant voices have told me to prepare for a massive change in the way I make money.

Houston · Post by **Houston** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:58 am

Well, I think I know what is happening.
The manufacturers are going to use biological warfare against players.
They are going to insert a device that recognises a professional player then spray them with a chemical and biological agent which will infect the player.
Symptoms will include vomiting, diarrhoea, haemorrhaging and death.

No more players, no more problem.

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:41 am

Doesn't sound too good does it? Also machines going through vigorous checks pre-release, these will be done like never before. You'd think they'd of done it years ago to be honest. Been told that with a new era approaching and the hope of an increase to larger jackpots these issues need to be sorted. It is a determined, consious effort to get rid of players full stop, and I can't see how they won't succeed. Obviously there might be 1 or 2 whizzkids or thieves that can still find away round things, but it looks like the way we do business at the momment is certainly not going to be viable anymore in the near future.

We have been embraced to a certain extent over the last 20 years but I think we've now outstayed our welcome. Nothing we can do though, just sit back and see what happens, however it does look bleak.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:01 am

that may be able to stop people ripping stuff .tis not the end of the world though not by a long shot.

ultimately it won't stop people winning ,the machines will still have to pay to percentage,and as long as there are sheep the wolves will have food even whilst the farmers scramble around in a blind panic trying to thwart them.

oh ...and linesman ,i've never taken you seriously since all that repeated pap you posted about plugging pokerfaces.care to divulge what all that was about?

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:26 am

There have been rumours about self teaching technology for ages.

Who's to say that this won't be able to be manipulated to a larger degree, for example us playing decoy boards? I would also be surprised if this technology was flawless.

silent g · Post by **silent g** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:43 am

pub fruit might end but the game will never end.
the clever gits that program the machines aint just gonna quit and sign on.
theyre gonna move on to bookie terminals or something similar and put their manipulators on different types of machines.
there will allways be a gaming machine somewhere and imo there will allways be a way of making moolah from it.

if you know the right people you will be ok.

thats just my opinion but do you really think that everyone liked to barcrest and bellfruit ect will just get sacked off ??

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:03 am

The same programmers who haven't had an original idea in the last 5 years. No munter like me is going to play machines that are to be frank boring, boring, boring with almost zero chance of getting a JP. Programmers will just be made redundant. The AWP industry is dying on it's feet. Arcades are empty and seasides are like ghost towns. A real shame.

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:28 pm

redlinesman wrote:I get told a fair few things in confidence some which isn't that sensitive but some of it is. If I did spell it out on here it wouldn't be very hard for the person who's told me to realise I've instantly put some confidential stuff out there. In fact I often get permission before I make a post depending what subject I'm posting about and sometimes I get asked to make posts on behalf of people who don't use this forum, to fish something out or test the water so to speak.

the question has to be asked - should someone with these motives even be allowed on the forum?!

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:12 pm

silent g wrote:pub fruit might end but the game will never end.
the clever gits that program the machines aint just gonna quit and sign on.
theyre gonna move on to bookie terminals or something similar and put their manipulators on different types of machines.

I've probably said this before but it might be like that in the movies, but it certainly does not not reflect reality. The concept of a team of programmers constantly putting faults in gaming machines to line their pockets is total rubbish.

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:58 pm

mr lugsy wrote:that may be able to stop people ripping stuff .tis not the end of the world though not by a long shot.

ultimately it won't stop people winning ,the machines will still have to pay to percentage,and as long as there are sheep the wolves will have food even whilst the farmers scramble around in a blind panic trying to thwart the

The problem is we rely on rips and methods due to largely weaknesses in the programming of a machine. That is the reason we only play certain games because the majority are unplayable in terms of making a profit - even if they are still percentage based. Just because something runs off a percentage it doesn't mean you can manipulate it to your favour, otherwise we'd all be playing everything that is released. That is why the coming scenario is such a nightmare, because it basically puts us out of business. The new testing will be vigourosly done to make vitually certain there are no floors in a program and then if you did miraculously find something out, it would be over nearly straight away.

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:01 pm

Obviously if you see someone put a 100 through something and you go on your probably going to win, but as far as pro playing goes, it's looking bleak.

Mr McStreak · Post by **Mr McStreak** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:33 pm

redlinesman wrote:
silent g wrote:pub fruit might end but the game will never end.
the clever gits that program the machines aint just gonna quit and sign on.
theyre gonna move on to bookie terminals or something similar and put their manipulators on different types of machines.
I've probably said this before but it might be like that in the movies, but it certainly does not not reflect reality. The concept of a team of programmers constantly putting faults in gaming machines to line their pockets is total rubbish.

You once said to me in an email that your brother worked as 'a games coder' at Barcrest. At the time I thought it was probably bollocks, just a way of covering up where you get your info from, which is fair enough because everyone should protect themselves.

But if you weren't lying it means that your brother is either....

Corrupt

Or

Shit at his job.

Posting on behalf of others to test the water and assertain whether anyone is catching up in terms of info, well, I don't see any harm in that, its something i've known players to do from time to time.

Surely with any sense though you'd simply trawl through relevant posts and see what was being discussed rather than drawing attention to specific machines with little hints, and thus increasing vigilance amongst players who up until then were completely disregarding anyone playing a machine a certain way, but are now taking a bit more of an interest....

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:42 pm

Mr McStreak wrote:
Posting on behalf of others to test the water and assertain whether anyone is catching up in terms of info, well, I don't see any harm in that, its something i've known players to do from time to time.

Surely with any sense though you'd simply trawl through relevant posts and see what was being discussed rather than drawing attention to specific machines with little hints, and thus increasing vigilance amongst players who up until then were completely disregarding anyone playing a machine a certain way, but are now taking a bit more of an interest....

Fair point, but I don't really argue when I get asked plus its not really very likely that someone is going to find something out on a particular machine just because its name has been mentioned. If your getting watched, that's a different ball game, but I can assure you no one would ever pick up anything from. If I notice some beady eyes, I stop and walk out in most scenarios.

A1056688 · Post by **A1056688** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:02 pm

ma71lda wrote:This initially seemed like a.....'If it all does end what will YOU do? (because I'm sorted financially and I just fancied rubbing your noses in it!)'....thread.

It all ended for me in November 2008, a month before my second child was born. I was about to be laid off due to my works being resited too far away for it to be viable me staying there. Because I'd only been there 18 months and I was a part-time employee I never recieved a hefty pay off but that didn't bother me as I had savings from my second income - fruits.

People may think giving up fruits just as you are about to be made redundant with a new family addition imminent, mortgage et al, as mad but it made perfect sense - I looked forward to an extended holiday and I was able to help the missus out alot more around the home too. Losing my wage would be tough but we'd have her maternity income, along with Tax Credits and my savings. We got by without going without.

Knocking fruits wasn't hard at all and in doing so I proved to myself I was a leisurely player, not an addict. Obviously I played a little bit for a while after because there were a couple of goodies but I very seldom got heavily involved and when my playables were resited I lost interest in playing. I also played alone so I wasn't letting anyone down and as a one-man-band I had no info to keep me going. The reason it was so easy to stop playing? It was during a dry period of the £35jp era and I wasn't enjoying it at all, I think the nail in the coffin so to speak was constant £10-15 tester boards to find the machine dead - £22 in an Italian Job (the extra £ went in due the frustration of having to see a board) only for it to be a £3, CoB bust board, this may have been the straw that broke the camels back. Good chunk of the profit made from the Hi-Lo sited next to it gone in an instant. I understand I have missed out massively in the last 18 months but that is life.

So, after making the conscious decision of k.o-ing the game I had to take stock of what I/we had to live off. As well as the afformentioned income I had savings of just over £25k and I worked out that if we lived reasonably well I didn't have to work for approximately 18 months. 2 years later I'm still technically unemployed and I haven't signed on once!!! Everything is done legitimately (Council Tax etc) and I'm virtually debt free, obviously I don't have the savings I once had but I'm still happy and those £'s were never going to be a retirement fund. As for having to 'cut your cloth', 'tightening ones belt' and 'living within your means', well, you sort of do but by no means live like a Monk. I worked out I need about £540 p/w to pay for everything before I have any money for luxuries - this includes the mortgage, council tax, nursery costs, food, travelling expenses, internet and tv, gas, electric, water etc. It sounds alot but it isn't.

I have worked....a bit lol. But it's hard having to do summat you don't like for really crap wages and the fact we have a constant stream of foreigners willing to do these jobs will always drive the minimum wage down. In the past I was fortunate to earn a decent wage because I was good at what I did, I grafted, I brought fresh ideas to my employers BUT I never had any formal qualifications for these positions. All I have is 8 GCSE's and National Diploma in Art & Design - not worth a w*nk really!!! I have briefly worked in a warehouse which wasn't the greatest. I worked in a bookies for peanuts but I enjoyed it until I had to work 5 lates including weekends for 4 weeks solid. This wasn't in the job description when I applied and when I challenged it they tried taking the p*ss sending me somewhere 20 miles away for the day...on my break I went to a stationers, wrote out my resignation and went home!!! I also help out a mate who set himself up in the financial game and I get £60 for each successful lead but now the missus wants me to get a 'proper' job. Yes, she likes to have her cake and eat it!!! I have an interview on Wednesday so we shall see what transpires from that.

All I can say is I have no regrets doing what I did whatsoever. I had a great lifestyle at one point in my life, I have done and seen a lot of things and have been able to save a few quid along the way. There is life after fruits but don't be forced into any old employment as I know most of you have a lot more than me finacially and this gives you options, allows you to be more selective. Plus I couldn't have carried on playing as 18 months ago I was diagnosed with 'severe short term memory loss'. This could lead onto Alzheimers, who knows? One things for sure, back in the day I could name you every sited machine in every town I visited - pubs, clubs, bookies, arcades, you name it. These days I struggle to recollect the story of a film I watched the previous night or my whereabouts of the last week.....but I know where the Hot Stuff which I still play today is located lol.

I think you all have plenty of mileage left in your game but maybe not as many plentiful pickings.

Apologies for the ramble.

I wish you the very best of luck for your interview on Wednesday.

Over the past 7 years, whilst primarily working full time, I've enjoyed a substantial second income from the game and even spent the last 12 months as a full time player. Despite the fact that still today I can make a significant income from fruits (between £500 and £1400 per week depending on how many days / hours I put in) I have taken the decision to end my direct involvement in a couple of weeks time.

During the first week in January, my partner and I will fly to Perth, Australia to begin a new life and concentrate on my IT career. My income from my new job will be comparable with what I have earned from fruits in the past 12 months (probably even slightly better) and even though I will miss the ability to 'top up my earnings', I won't be losing any sleep over it.

pickareel · Post by **pickareel** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:09 pm

lots of pubs with machines in austrailia,must be players over there