Industry person open for questions.

Terry Tibbs · Post by **Terry Tibbs** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:55 pm

blackmogu wrote:
Why did you have to claim it yourself mate?
The establishment in question refused to acknowledge any responsibility for the fruit machine, and helpfully pointed out the number to call on the machine. It was my only recourse of action. Had leisurelink said "We fixed it, and there is a docket at the pub with your cash" that would be fine. But the process I went through when reporting it was as follows:

1. Location of machine
2. Name of machine
3. Amount in dispute
4. My contact details.

Now, in reply to "why didn't I give them a serial (Nokring)", not once was I asked to supply this information. I gave what I was asked to give, and got fobbed off. As leisurelink (and indeed crown leisure) know they are stealing, they rarely turn up in small claims to contest. This says everything to me. It's like the old insurance scams of the 80's - flat out deny every claim, and a certain percentage of people will not pursue further. An instant win for the company.

sounds like the pub screwed you over mate

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:57 pm

blackmogu wrote:
Why did you have to claim it yourself mate?
The establishment in question refused to acknowledge any responsibility for the fruit machine, and helpfully pointed out the number to call on the machine. It was my only recourse of action. Had leisurelink said "We fixed it, and there is a docket at the pub with your cash" that would be fine. But the process I went through when reporting it was as follows:

1. Location of machine
2. Name of machine
3. Amount in dispute
4. My contact details.

Now, in reply to "why didn't I give them a serial (Nokring)", not once was I asked to supply this information. I gave what I was asked to give, and got fobbed off. As leisurelink (and indeed crown leisure) know they are stealing, they rarely turn up in small claims to contest. This says everything to me. It's like the old insurance scams of the 80's - flat out deny every claim, and a certain percentage of people will not pursue further. An instant win for the company.

B*stards. Next time threaten the establishment with the police. It's on their premises so therefore it's their responsibility. If it isn't then just tell them that means you can wheel the machine away and they can't stop you as they have said it's non of their business.

blackmogu · Post by **blackmogu** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:07 pm

Done that before when the manager of the royal oak in windsor turned off the fruits-u-sir when I had money in it. He refused to let me collect my bank, so I called the police, who were most disinterested to say the least, and said it was a civil matter. They point blank refused to turn up until I started saying "I'm going to rob the till for my money back then, since it seems theft is ok these days". They arrived sharpish after that, and made the landlord collect my £6.

All his customers got to see what a prick he was over £6. Some even cheered us when the police handed my money back !

Point being, forget any police help generally. They always side with businesses first.

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:17 pm

The best method I have found for getting significant cash back from unscrupulous landlords is to tell them that I am an off-duty copper and will come back on Friday night before my shift starts. I 'tip' them off not to have any underage drinkers in that Friday night as I would be duty bound to take the matter further.

I simply refuse to give my contact details, citing new government anti-terror laws about police being forbidden to reveal personal details to the the general public (which is bollocks)

Maybe some ring the local nick to check on me. Most pay up instantly to avoid a Friday night visit from uniformed law.

Not worth it for sub £10 claims though. Also not to be recommended in your home town for obvious reasons.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:22 am

people actually believe that?

"show me your warrant card please or I'll report you for impersonating a police officer" should be their response

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:52 am

Yes that's not what scamming landlords say. It stands to reason that the more dishonest the landlord i.e. the ones that tell you they'll have to get the win 'verified' even though the screen says 'I owe you £18.00' are more concerned with the possibilities of coppers turning up.

The ones who would ask for identification don't, simply because they're the honest ones and have already coughed up out of the till, so I don't tell them.

paul123 · Post by **paul123** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:27 pm

wots the higest stake you can play on a quiz game and the biggest prize you can win

the biggest i,ve seen is £5 stake with £40 jackpot on bullseye

cheers

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:58 pm

Uh-oh chaps, it's another stooge come to promote fiver-a-play Bullseye. Better make ourselves scarce...

paul123 · Post by **paul123** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:57 pm

Joined this forum about 4 months ago and have enjoyed reading threads but have avoided posting purely because of stupid comments made by TWATS like you....

But now i've started, why the fuck would anyone want to promote a game that's £5 to play with at best a chance of getting back £3??????

Just wanted to know if there are any quiz or skill games out there with a jackpot of more than £40....

sensible answers preffered

cheers

grecian · Post by **grecian** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:12 pm

OK, apologies Paul123. As you've been reading for a while, you'll be aware someone joined the forum a while back seemingly only to plug £5 Bullseye, which got a bit tiresome.

To answer your question properly I'm not aware of anything offering more than £40 at the moment, although I think I'm correct in saying there's no legal limit on what SWPs could offer if manufacturers were willing. The realistic upward limit is really £20 a game, I'd say, although I guess maybe £30 (£10 on the stations and £20 on the endgame) is possible on something like Monopoly, if vanishingly improbable.

borgcontact4 · Post by **borgcontact4** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:49 am

Hi Paul.
Yes there are SWP's with more than £40 availabale. WWTBAM triple arcade version offers up wards to £1000 last one I saw was in Mr T's Blackpool.
Itbox and Gamesnet have had games up to £5000. Skill Ball bingo is £50 I believe. Also from same company Novas Pocketmoney £50.00 as well as tournament games with brand new BMW mini's available as top prize.
Dont think much chance of winning one, but they have had them on their stand at ATE and given keys to winners during the show. Rather impressive prizes. For your info a new agreement was in Coinslot this week saying that £50 was now the limit so these games will change prize levels or else the gaming board will act.

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:55 pm

In the end the maximum prize has no relevance on many current games. They could offer a top prize of £100 (or £200 or whatever) and be safe as long as they never actually had to pay out that top prize. Has anyone EVER won £40 on the Deal or No Deal £1 a go version or £20 for Mayfair on Monopoly Deluxe or £20/£40 (whatever the JP is meant to be) on Bullseye or ...

cool · Post by **cool** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:56 pm

wise words. ive seen bingo game at £100.00. know the £1000pounder in blackpool downstairs , however they have practically died out. jackpots size is irrelevant its attainibilty that is crucial.

BigEd · Post by **BigEd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:02 pm

borgcontact4 wrote:Hi Paul.
Yes there are SWP's with more than £40 availabale. WWTBAM triple arcade version offers up wards to £1000 last one I saw was in Mr T's Blackpool.

Last time I saw it, the same guy had kept winning the Jackpot. They were not happy by all accounts.

borgcontact4 wrote:Skill Ball bingo is £50 I believe.

I saw it at £60+ quite regularly at the start, but now it always seems to be only £30.

borgcontact4 wrote:For your info a new agreement was in Coinslot this week saying that £50 was now the limit so these games will change prize levels or else the gaming board will act.

But you "can" win an Xbox 360 from a stacker. So how does that work then?

borgcontact4 · Post by **borgcontact4** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:44 am

OK I forgot that Skill Ball does have a progressive JP. The one we had here to play I don't think it got enough plays to reach that part. Yes it can go up to £100 and then stays there. it works like they put a small amonunt from each game until it is won. As it starts at a low point the problem is someone wins below say £60 and it resets and you begin over again.
On the prize levels it is only a gentlemans agreement with the Gaming Board.
Stackers are not manufactured in the UK and distributors put anyhting they like in them. The is no law against prize levels but UK manufacturers have this tacit agreement, of no more than £50.00 prize level. Some abide by it some clearly do not. Not attacking Nova Skill Ball, as it is clearly a good game and has very high level of skill not like some I won't mention!!!