at leastStopnstep wrote:£50 JP is on it's way I heard.Drpepper wrote:It's simple really, the £25 to £35 jump was never going to be a good idea, and with the economy as it is, no one's going to be playing fruit machines.
The companies have f**ked themselves royally, all they've done is make it impossible for the target audiences to play machines, meaning that yet again less cash goes in which means yet again the price of play will go up.
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I think it's a mixture of everything but I know it pisses people off that it now can cost upto £15 just for a board.
I know ur average person will still slot coz they can't help it but not on the same level.
And yeah the credit crunch has fucked everything.
I went into town a few weeks ago on a thursday and the following were closed : Varsity, Yates, Walkabout.
And this was at 11:30pm.
These have all been rammed on a Thursday night for the last 10 years+ at least.
Like u say - less disposable income.
I know ur average person will still slot coz they can't help it but not on the same level.
And yeah the credit crunch has fucked everything.
I went into town a few weeks ago on a thursday and the following were closed : Varsity, Yates, Walkabout.
And this was at 11:30pm.
These have all been rammed on a Thursday night for the last 10 years+ at least.
Like u say - less disposable income.
Yeh it could happen mate getting no boards, the way i see it these days is id rather put £3 into 5 different machines than £15 in one (say crazy chair). To be fair the machines in my three local haunts are crap so maybe with a decent change of machines id be putting more over the back, but not at the moment.bigv038 wrote:Yes mate - not having a pop if thats the way it came across
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If you are on a machine and you are still getting stung, then players ARE doing the machines. All the DOND machines play fairly well, if they arnt caned for the MS all the time. In most cases, the person who forced it would have come off worse off anyway.Alpine021 wrote:I think it's a mixture of everything but I know it pisses people off that it now can cost upto £15 just for a board.
I know ur average person will still slot coz they can't help it but not on the same level.
And yeah the credit crunch has fucked everything.
I went into town a few weeks ago on a thursday and the following were closed : Varsity, Yates, Walkabout.
And this was at 11:30pm.
These have all been rammed on a Thursday night for the last 10 years+ at least.
Like u say - less disposable income.
A few of my mates work in the financial banks in the city, they say the worst is yet to come. The economy is grinding to a halt - the first thing to go will be disposable income. People wont bother with the pub, let alone fruit machines.
Players who do it for a living your days are numbered. People are *ucked off with the 15 quid a board jobbie, me in particular who has played since 1999 and in the early days made thousands just being there at the right time.
Now i play a few quid a week - if it goes so beit, i dont chase boards, and force JP's. Pubs are closing, estate agents are closing like there is no tomororw, garages are struggling with new car sales...Cash box sales will drop, pubs wont want to pay the £800 licence fee.
Someone mentioned £50 jackies, comes in a new coffin style case with Nails embedded for early retirement !
"ahhh look dont bother going in there its a bell fruit"
plenty for you in birkenhead dean.. wong is covering some of it but he hsnt found the 2 invincibles or the 2 ca's. prestatyn was great last week. made over a grand in pontins... moley invincilbe... gg's extreme that sites got the lot lol, no need to check anything either the staff do it for you lol.
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Some of the decline in numbers is also down to image. Sticking tuppence in a slot and watching fruits spin around with the chance of winning a weeks wages is very much a working man's preserve.
No longer can you get a pint of mild for 59p.
I'm not surprised Soho is devoid of AWPs. That's because it's a trendsetter for demographic shifts.
Pubs are failing unless they appeal to a certain demographic
i) Student Pubs. Welcome to the world of colourful i-tune jukeboxes and table fu/Bball. Holds a wealth of AWPs. Tacky, silly decor at times. Might be a crane grabber thing in the corner. In a pub ffs!
ii) The designer set. These pubs are not actually pubs. They do serve alcohol. They're there so you can get completely f***ed on premium export strength lager, but all in a very 'sophisticated' way. Everything is paved with glass or metal. If it's wooden it has to be highly expensive wood and extremely smooth and varnished, so that you might think it brown metal. There are no fruit machines in these establishments, as quite simply, the people inside wouldn't be seen dead associated with such a thing. It would be very bad for the image. The price to pay for being in this set is £5/pint of premium European origin lager and no, you can't drink it from the can, they have to pour it into the glass whilst pretending to pump it up from a barrel.
iii) The gastropub. Zing and ping is only good for WeatherLloyds. They've captured the ten meals and a pint for a fiver brigade. You had better have a good chef or a good ambience or a good PR team, otherwise it's game over. There's no fruit machine as everyone is too busy over seasoning the meat and reducing the portions to 'ridiculously small' to deal with a fruit machine supplier.
iv) The pissheads pub/club/cess pit. This place is for karaoke at 11am, not fruit machines! Everything is on tap, including methadone and naloxone for those who overindulge. You can get anything in these places, broken noses, crabs, fake passports and a gang of 14 year old kids on the door. If there is a fruit machine it'll have someone's head inside it or there won't be a fruit machine as the collectors are sick of picking up decapitated heads and broken glass.
v) The cheap pub - aka Yateserspoons. Pop on your jeans you bought from Morrisons, try the panther for value. Play 18 different DOND clones. Eat a beer. Drink a burger. Have some coffee. Play a quiz. Talk to a tramp. Go to sleep. Eat some more beer.
If a pub now has exposed Oak beams some soppy sod will cut themselves on them or bang their head and sue the pub for millions. You can't have open fireplaces as kids walk into 'em. You can't have anything. Soon you won't be able to smoke in a pub! Can you believe that? Then you won't be able to drink, gamble or talk to anyone.
The working men's set is hidden within a drab cloth over slate covered dim little oasis within a non branded 'sports and social' club somewhere in the middle of nowhere. There sits a 5p play/£75 jackpto Club Celebration. Make of that what you will.
No longer can you get a pint of mild for 59p.
I'm not surprised Soho is devoid of AWPs. That's because it's a trendsetter for demographic shifts.
Pubs are failing unless they appeal to a certain demographic
i) Student Pubs. Welcome to the world of colourful i-tune jukeboxes and table fu/Bball. Holds a wealth of AWPs. Tacky, silly decor at times. Might be a crane grabber thing in the corner. In a pub ffs!
ii) The designer set. These pubs are not actually pubs. They do serve alcohol. They're there so you can get completely f***ed on premium export strength lager, but all in a very 'sophisticated' way. Everything is paved with glass or metal. If it's wooden it has to be highly expensive wood and extremely smooth and varnished, so that you might think it brown metal. There are no fruit machines in these establishments, as quite simply, the people inside wouldn't be seen dead associated with such a thing. It would be very bad for the image. The price to pay for being in this set is £5/pint of premium European origin lager and no, you can't drink it from the can, they have to pour it into the glass whilst pretending to pump it up from a barrel.
iii) The gastropub. Zing and ping is only good for WeatherLloyds. They've captured the ten meals and a pint for a fiver brigade. You had better have a good chef or a good ambience or a good PR team, otherwise it's game over. There's no fruit machine as everyone is too busy over seasoning the meat and reducing the portions to 'ridiculously small' to deal with a fruit machine supplier.
iv) The pissheads pub/club/cess pit. This place is for karaoke at 11am, not fruit machines! Everything is on tap, including methadone and naloxone for those who overindulge. You can get anything in these places, broken noses, crabs, fake passports and a gang of 14 year old kids on the door. If there is a fruit machine it'll have someone's head inside it or there won't be a fruit machine as the collectors are sick of picking up decapitated heads and broken glass.
v) The cheap pub - aka Yateserspoons. Pop on your jeans you bought from Morrisons, try the panther for value. Play 18 different DOND clones. Eat a beer. Drink a burger. Have some coffee. Play a quiz. Talk to a tramp. Go to sleep. Eat some more beer.
If a pub now has exposed Oak beams some soppy sod will cut themselves on them or bang their head and sue the pub for millions. You can't have open fireplaces as kids walk into 'em. You can't have anything. Soon you won't be able to smoke in a pub! Can you believe that? Then you won't be able to drink, gamble or talk to anyone.
The working men's set is hidden within a drab cloth over slate covered dim little oasis within a non branded 'sports and social' club somewhere in the middle of nowhere. There sits a 5p play/£75 jackpto Club Celebration. Make of that what you will.
gambling is more common in poorer communities, people who punt machines play through addiction, people with no money in poor areas have no money anyway, they use rent, council tax, benefits, to play, hoping , thinking they can win.. the gambling industry and amusment/prizes section is worth billions a year throught the simple fact that people without money will always gamble to try and get more,
fruit machines are a realatively small stake gamble, and are instant, the addict gets the buzz or win/loss they need to move on and do something else..
people who are sensible and budget and limit their spending will control this by not going out, not spending money, not being near the flashing boxes of addiction..
the industry will to an extent suffer, but the bread and butter of fruit machine income will still be there.. credit crunch or not
the 8 - 10 - 15 - 25 - 35 -50 -100 - 1000 -1000000 jackpot increases will not matter.. the type of game, method of payback, WILL NOT MATTER
fruit machines will be in public areas, pubs, arcades, fairs, bingo halls.. every sodding where.. until they are banned by law and removed by legal means THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
fruit machines change, slowly.. yes, we do have 30 different deal-or-no-deals in circulation, but look back and similar things have happened in the past, gimmie gimmie gimmie has about 10 clones.. and we hated them about 7 years ago.. it will go on and on and on
the only hting that will change is that people who are "pros" will not be able to make money by relaiable means as we go closer and closer to the vegas dream of random, at which point, the box in the corner of the pub really will be a flashing box with lghts on it...
i wonder if the flashing lights when not being played will still be known to through the industry as the "attract mode", probably over time it will become a power-save mode, due to the complete lack of people wanting to play at £5 a press... (oh at this point beer will be £14 a pint and petrol £6.99 a litre)
good afternoon, good evening and goodnight.
fruit machines are a realatively small stake gamble, and are instant, the addict gets the buzz or win/loss they need to move on and do something else..
people who are sensible and budget and limit their spending will control this by not going out, not spending money, not being near the flashing boxes of addiction..
the industry will to an extent suffer, but the bread and butter of fruit machine income will still be there.. credit crunch or not
the 8 - 10 - 15 - 25 - 35 -50 -100 - 1000 -1000000 jackpot increases will not matter.. the type of game, method of payback, WILL NOT MATTER
fruit machines will be in public areas, pubs, arcades, fairs, bingo halls.. every sodding where.. until they are banned by law and removed by legal means THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
fruit machines change, slowly.. yes, we do have 30 different deal-or-no-deals in circulation, but look back and similar things have happened in the past, gimmie gimmie gimmie has about 10 clones.. and we hated them about 7 years ago.. it will go on and on and on
the only hting that will change is that people who are "pros" will not be able to make money by relaiable means as we go closer and closer to the vegas dream of random, at which point, the box in the corner of the pub really will be a flashing box with lghts on it...
i wonder if the flashing lights when not being played will still be known to through the industry as the "attract mode", probably over time it will become a power-save mode, due to the complete lack of people wanting to play at £5 a press... (oh at this point beer will be £14 a pint and petrol £6.99 a litre)
good afternoon, good evening and goodnight.
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Well I don't know what idiots they have working at these places (Barcrest etc)
This is the simplest thing ever - let's say DOND for example has just been hammered and it needs to start taking it's money back...
Why not cost say £5 for a board but not offer over a quid. Then maybe cost £6 / £7 for a board and only offer say £2.
This way even some slotter would think "this has probably just paid out"
You have to remember that slotters do actually think they know what they r doing - I used to. And I knew when something had been hammered.
But say the other way - costing £15 for a board - all that is going to happen is next time the guy comes in and his mate says "fancy a gamble?" the guy will just say "fuck that - cost me £15 for a board last time"
So scenario A = The guy will probably play it again just thinking it was a bit battered last time.
Scenario B = he is pretty likely not to play it again and he will happily let his mates know what a piss take it is.
This is the simplest thing ever - let's say DOND for example has just been hammered and it needs to start taking it's money back...
Why not cost say £5 for a board but not offer over a quid. Then maybe cost £6 / £7 for a board and only offer say £2.
This way even some slotter would think "this has probably just paid out"
You have to remember that slotters do actually think they know what they r doing - I used to. And I knew when something had been hammered.
But say the other way - costing £15 for a board - all that is going to happen is next time the guy comes in and his mate says "fancy a gamble?" the guy will just say "fuck that - cost me £15 for a board last time"
So scenario A = The guy will probably play it again just thinking it was a bit battered last time.
Scenario B = he is pretty likely not to play it again and he will happily let his mates know what a piss take it is.
Another thing is who has £15 coins on them? People might have say £5 - £10 in change but probably not much more.
So then they are annoyed that they have to put a note in. And if they r really unlucky they will be on one that transfers a fiver!
The only actual thing in our favour is that gambling is obviously addictive.
But will they put in as much as they used to? Doubt it.
So then they are annoyed that they have to put a note in. And if they r really unlucky they will be on one that transfers a fiver!
The only actual thing in our favour is that gambling is obviously addictive.
But will they put in as much as they used to? Doubt it.