Favourite Quiz machine game ever??
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Cardinal Sin
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Your information is spot on there your eminence.
However there is a little twist in the tail.
We need to go back about 12(!!) years to Strathclyde uni where there were a couple of monopolies.I was playing one time when some total random guy came up and asked why I didn't just switch the machine off after each game.He claimed that the machine would proceed to ask the same questions again.I dismissed this as absolute nonsense but later that night couldn't get the niggle out of my head and thus set out for a bit of sleuthery the next day.
Lo and behold he wasn't wrong.Each time the machine was switched off it would start with a random selection from a database of exactly 60 q's.Not particularly easy ones(never forget that kebekidnaise syydtopp-sorry that spelling is from 12 years ago- is sweden's highest mountain) but the same 60 nonetheless.
Obviously you still had the usual problems of landing on the right stuff( I managed to overcome these for the cluedo trick) but you could buy absolutely everything in the knowledge you couldn't get a question wrong.
This merry state of affairs lasted about 6 months and led to many very dodgy situations with confrontational landlords quite reasonably asking why their machine had just been turned off.Again.
However there is a little twist in the tail.
We need to go back about 12(!!) years to Strathclyde uni where there were a couple of monopolies.I was playing one time when some total random guy came up and asked why I didn't just switch the machine off after each game.He claimed that the machine would proceed to ask the same questions again.I dismissed this as absolute nonsense but later that night couldn't get the niggle out of my head and thus set out for a bit of sleuthery the next day.
Lo and behold he wasn't wrong.Each time the machine was switched off it would start with a random selection from a database of exactly 60 q's.Not particularly easy ones(never forget that kebekidnaise syydtopp-sorry that spelling is from 12 years ago- is sweden's highest mountain) but the same 60 nonetheless.
Obviously you still had the usual problems of landing on the right stuff( I managed to overcome these for the cluedo trick) but you could buy absolutely everything in the knowledge you couldn't get a question wrong.
This merry state of affairs lasted about 6 months and led to many very dodgy situations with confrontational landlords quite reasonably asking why their machine had just been turned off.Again.
I agree with Bilks.The propensity for somebody to divulge what games they play decreases with their ability.If you tell a person what you are playing they are quite possibly going to change their strategy towards games, particularly if they are not making money from the games that they play.Take Millionaire for example . There is a town that I visit where every Millionaire or near enough is at 32,000 because of the efforts of a local player, who by his own admission isnt very good at the game yet it prevents me from ever getting a jackpot.My point is a nibble due to the programming often ruins the potential to gain a jackpot.When I spot a fellow player in a pub I take avoiding action as all anybody seems to talk about is what am I playing and where the machines are.When working Im on a mission,not there to have a chatfest!Even in the good old days a £2 win could muck up a Cleudo.A small win too could half the potential on a GBOR.I would advise a part-timer to talk all they'd like about their games, a full-timer to take care!
Cool, I agree that it might be a bad idea in a particular area, but a friendly question on this forum asking what a player's favourite games are at the moment seems different to me. For a start, not everyone on here plays purely for profit, and also it is more likely on here that we're gonna be spread out geographically. Fair enough you're a self-confessed pro, so revealing your bread-winners to local pros is probably a bad idea. Just my two cents.
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Cardinal Sin
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I think we're all perfectly capable, as experienced machinists, of making a decision as to what information is appropriate to divulge on a forum like this and what is not.
In particular I cannot see how talking about historic machines, frankly even giving away hints and tips, is of relevance any more. Such machines are very rare nowadays, and in some cases (e.g. Guinness Book) seem to be non-existent: giving away secrets on them really isn't going to enrich anyone massively.
I think that stating that a certain game is jackpottable is only inadvisable if the fact is not well-known - surely that stands to reason? I'd imagine that probably every poster on this forum and plenty more besides knows full well that classic WWTBAM was jackpottable on the right day. There were no tricks, as such: just good knowledge, luck and nerves. I'm not too worried about revealing that new WWTBAM is jackpottable: I've only done it once and I think again it'll come down to luck, knowledge and nerves.
In particular I cannot see how talking about historic machines, frankly even giving away hints and tips, is of relevance any more. Such machines are very rare nowadays, and in some cases (e.g. Guinness Book) seem to be non-existent: giving away secrets on them really isn't going to enrich anyone massively.
I think that stating that a certain game is jackpottable is only inadvisable if the fact is not well-known - surely that stands to reason? I'd imagine that probably every poster on this forum and plenty more besides knows full well that classic WWTBAM was jackpottable on the right day. There were no tricks, as such: just good knowledge, luck and nerves. I'm not too worried about revealing that new WWTBAM is jackpottable: I've only done it once and I think again it'll come down to luck, knowledge and nerves.
I must say this discussion has started to amaze me! To reiterate what I said in my previous post in this thread, how can simply telling someone (or even showing them) that a certain game can be lucrative be any real harm to your chances, UNLESS your ability to win is based mainly on some trick similar to those mentioned by Foxy, such as switching a machine off and on again?
I can state here and now that classic Millionaire is a good source of cash as long as you play it when it is in the £2/£3 for 32,000 modes, but surely that will be obvious to anyone who plays it more than a couple of times - it's not exactly rocket science is it? My telling someone this is not going to (a) make them start playing the game when they don't otherwise or (b) suddenly make them able to win the big prizes when they weren't previously.
I can see how you might want to keep a real trick secret but I just don't think they are out there, certainly with the modern games, and so I can't see any harm in sharing information about favourite games etc. Surely that is the whole point of this forum? It is going to be a very dull place otherwise.
I can state here and now that classic Millionaire is a good source of cash as long as you play it when it is in the £2/£3 for 32,000 modes, but surely that will be obvious to anyone who plays it more than a couple of times - it's not exactly rocket science is it? My telling someone this is not going to (a) make them start playing the game when they don't otherwise or (b) suddenly make them able to win the big prizes when they weren't previously.
I can see how you might want to keep a real trick secret but I just don't think they are out there, certainly with the modern games, and so I can't see any harm in sharing information about favourite games etc. Surely that is the whole point of this forum? It is going to be a very dull place otherwise.
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The problem is that many games are released by companies unaware of the true ability of some of the players who will be playing them = games are utterly bummed.Nil Satis wrote:I must say this discussion has started to amaze me! To reiterate what I said in my previous post in this thread, how can simply telling someone (or even showing them) that a certain game can be lucrative be any real harm to your chances, UNLESS your ability to win is based mainly on some trick similar to those mentioned by Foxy, such as switching a machine off and on again?
The best players (of skill games, in particular) might not want to bring it to their attention that the games are easier than first thought (eg. jackpots being easily attainable), as the games will be made more difficult at next update, or merely withdrawn wholesale/on individual machines. So, the issue is not that others might become able to spank the games in question (unlikely), it is that these games might be altered and be made more difficult for me!
I (self-importantly) suspect that Word Wall was sped up because I boasted about the first edition's top speed being rather slow on here. The update has lowered takings for me by about 50% and also, paradoxically, made the game less challenging (as when it decides to shaft you, it now does a good job of it, thus artificially capping your points).
Is there any trick to jackpotting fruitix, tka, or is it just pure speed?
Basicly it is about being quick and beating the frozen blocks but there is a way to stop the rows/columns going the wrong way. Me and Potts have just about worked it out but we only hit JP 20% of the time depending on where the pub is. If we were the last people to play it it is impossible but in busy places we do OK.
No wonder I drink!
Don't want to upset anyone with revelations about standalone cluedos that can't possibly exist anymore but here goes!
For the sensitive souls out there-don't worry I'll keep any contemporary money-making ideas all to myself.
Following on from monopoly's strange bug I started to try all sorts of on/off ideas without much success.The one thing I did notice on cluedo however was the astonishing amount of times that the murderer was the diabolical rev.green on the first go.After much research it began to become clear that the there was a fairly set pattern to the weapon and room as well,only on the first go.
Eventually I worked out the correlation between the dice options at the start and the overall whodunnit.
So if the dice showed 1 3 and 6 at the start this would mean that it was the rev with the revolver in the conservatory.
Now obviously this info helps but you've still got to get into the right room and just charging straight there was never really going to work.After a few months I worked out a few ways where it would let me into the room-it's quite complicated/boring to explain(pm me if anyone cares) and took it from there.
Similar problems occured with landlords wondering why their machine had been switched off but all in all it was a fairly lucrative time.
Just out of interest and to guage the moral climate-would you consider this cheating?
For the sensitive souls out there-don't worry I'll keep any contemporary money-making ideas all to myself.
Following on from monopoly's strange bug I started to try all sorts of on/off ideas without much success.The one thing I did notice on cluedo however was the astonishing amount of times that the murderer was the diabolical rev.green on the first go.After much research it began to become clear that the there was a fairly set pattern to the weapon and room as well,only on the first go.
Eventually I worked out the correlation between the dice options at the start and the overall whodunnit.
So if the dice showed 1 3 and 6 at the start this would mean that it was the rev with the revolver in the conservatory.
Now obviously this info helps but you've still got to get into the right room and just charging straight there was never really going to work.After a few months I worked out a few ways where it would let me into the room-it's quite complicated/boring to explain(pm me if anyone cares) and took it from there.
Similar problems occured with landlords wondering why their machine had been switched off but all in all it was a fairly lucrative time.
Just out of interest and to guage the moral climate-would you consider this cheating?
Speaking of standalone Cleudo machines, there is still one in the Pier Tavern in Great Yarmouth.
I wouldn't say you are cheating....after all if the machine can ask YOU what the population of Nepal is to the nearest 10, you are hardly doing anything half as bad by using your loaf in reciprocation. Go ahead and use your cunning....Cleudo is a sleuth game anyway, and sleuth is what you have done!
Matt
I wouldn't say you are cheating....after all if the machine can ask YOU what the population of Nepal is to the nearest 10, you are hardly doing anything half as bad by using your loaf in reciprocation. Go ahead and use your cunning....Cleudo is a sleuth game anyway, and sleuth is what you have done!
Matt
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