Deal Or No Deal

foxy · Post by **foxy** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:09 pm

what kind of muppet would ever have suggested that the endgame isn't rigged?

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:52 am

As has been said before, the frequency that you can reach the cash game would be far less if said end game was not rigged. In other words, you'd only make it to the endgame if it could afford to pay out the JP value.

If it wasn't rigged, you could effectively empty the game by taking around

£3.85

each game!

So most of us will never be happy with either of the two scenarios:

- The endgame isn't fixed, but the number of spoilers used in the main game allow you access to the endgame roughly every 1/500 plays.

- The endgame is fixed, you can get to it with some degree of frequency, but often end up with a low win.

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:27 am

Not sure about your maths there sunshine

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:13 am

Me? It may well be wrong, I nabbed the £3.85 figure from a post above...

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:44 am

The £3.85 is about right for an unrigged endgame, but the game would be able to let you in about 1/26 times. Fuck knows how you got 1/500

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:50 am

Yeah i don't agree with that. One in 500? that's £250 of play!

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:09 am

It was just an exaggerated number to explain that if the endgame wasn't rigged, it would hardly ever let you get to it. A la Cluedo never giving you the required rooms / suspects after 'potentially' hours of going around the board.
There were no maths involved whatsoever, just trying to point out that if the end game wasn't fixed, do you think it'd let you get to it as often as it does?

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:19 am

Actually doing the numbers:

If:

- 30% target payout
- 50p per game
- £20 jackpot value

The game could afford to offer the end game (potentially £20 every time - unlikely I know, but it must cater for this possibility, surely?) once every 134 plays (£67).

This assumes perfect play, and of course the fact that no end games have been offered and no prizes one.

I do know of course, that this is not the way it works, as the end game 'is' fixed, and thus is offered more often as the prize you can win has been set beforehand. The bankers offers are possibly the highest win you could get from any endgame. For example, if you are left with the 10p and the £10 box and the final offer is £3, (and the machine cannot allow a higher win than £3) you will not have the £10 in your box.

Anyways, we all know how it works, I was just trying to describe how it would have to play if the end game was not fixed...

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:52 pm

A lovely howler while playing DOND today:

Which of the following is a fruit?

a) Orange
b) Potato
c) Tomato

I pressed orange and was duly awarded a big fat X. I must have had my stupid hat on....everyone knows orange is a colour and not a fruit

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:53 am

i was having a pint and doing the crossword yesterday and vaguely watching one of our drippy couples playing DOND on an ind:e. they had to get 21k, 57k, 30k, 27k and lost them all pretty early on.

next up they were offered the endgame for 10k

and really easy questions throughout.

anyway to cut a short story shorter they were left with £7, £10 and £20, crapped out with the £10 and the banker offered £11.
their arithmetic was sound so they no dealed and swapped the box to get the £20. and there were fancy nancy graphics at the end.

i think it is good that games offer the bigger wins to mug punters; that £20 will find it's way back into the machine and into my pockets eventually. not that i'm a fan of DOND.

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:10 am

[quote="ugricphile"]i was having a half-pint and doing the Star crossword yesterday and intently watching one of those endearing drippy couples playing DOND on an ind:e. they had to get 21k, 57k, 30k, 27k and lost them all pretty early on.

i think it is good that games offer the bigger wins to mug punters]

How is it going to find its way into your pockets if you don't play it?

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:22 am

Potwasher's Lovechild wrote:
ugricphile wrote:i was having an effeminate alcopop and struggling with the dandy wordsearch yesterday and intently watching one of those endearing drippy couples playing DOND on an ind:e. they had to get 21k, 57k, 30k, 27k and lost them all pretty early on.

i think it is good that games offer the bigger wins to mug punters]

How is it going to find its way into your pockets if you don't play it?

i do play it occasionally. and the money will get to me because the drippy couple will now be hooked and plough all their money through the machine, SWP is more addictive than crystal meth.

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:31 am

ugricphile wrote:
Potwasher's Lovechild wrote:
ugricphile wrote:i was sipping a campari and soda through a straw and struggling to come-to-terms with my horoscope etc etc...
i do play it occasionally. and the money will get to me because the drippy couple will now be hooked and plough all their money through the machine, SWP is more addictive than crystal meth.

So what you are saying is that you hang about on pubs sharking mug punters on DOND?

Nil Satis · Post by **Nil Satis** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:02 pm

[quote="ugricphile"]i think it is good that games offer the bigger wins to mug punters]

Absolutely right. I played three Gamesnets yesterday and it was shocking to see how poor their selection of games is now. Caveman Capers and Big Match World Cup have gone and literally all that was left worth playing is Deal or No Deal - the Ant and Dec game was empty on each one and the rest of the games were the complete dregs I first posted about on here a few months ago - Take It or Leave It, Golden Goal 2, the new Blockbusters, that ridiculously complicated Roulette game and so on. Even QuizMaster, who confidently posted at the time that "Games come and go, machines will always be here", must be nervously tapping his fingers and looking at his watch wondering where all the great new games are (or even average new games - it really has come to that!).

I was so disheartened that I played a few games on Word Up and managed to get what was probably my personal best (circa 1650) for a massive £3 win.

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:14 pm

In fairness to Blockbusters, since my initial game at it (when it generously offered a FREE GAME), I have not seen that prize offered again. Could it be possible it has been rechipped for the better (perhaps even as a result of feedback obtained from this forum?). Furthermore, due to the fact it is a familiar brand (albeit a crap incarnation), I would get to the endgame and win money 80-90% of the time. The prize varies from £2-£5.

In fact, it is the new Bullseye. You heard it here first.