Forceing the zero.
do you work for coral lmaostonking run wrote:sorry is that called takeing the micheal? look first off as i said read first page top i clearley stated that it may be luck or a genuine little earner. if i was that hell bent or in any way 100% confident on this system i would be makeing money by private selling this. clearley i am not and after being told by a few on here that it most probally is luck i tend to agree with these guys. i thought it would be a topic starter and it has been becouse up untill then the forum looked it needed a bit off disscution put into it. i dont know about anyone else but it seems to me that this forum is all about us trying to get one over the bookies or whatever gambling company to date. were all here to swap tips and help eachother out and thats all i was trying to do.CrosbyRules wrote:try and it do brains, sounds like a lovely method
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the fobt's do patterns, but they wont do what you say consistently
you might be "lucky" and get it to work for a week, making you £200 in a week, but then one day you'll do £200 in one session
there are several well known "systems" for roulette... some seem to work, some dont, there are also known systems for playing fobt roulette..
they sometimes work, sometimes dont..
lets explain this mathematicly.. or attempt to (cause explaining stuff like this over a pc isnt easy)
remove the zero,
the odds on a number are 36/1 you have a one in thirty six chance of hitting a number
there are 18 black and 18 red numbers. so thats 50/50 chance on red or black
for this example i will use simply red and black to ruin your systems credibility
1)you bet on red,it comes out black..
2)you bet on red again, it comes black
3)you bet on red again, it comes black
4)you bet on red again, it comes black
5)you bet on red again, it comes black
6)you bet on red again, it comes black
7)you bet on red again, it comes black
you bet on red again, it comes black
shit, thats 8 blacks in a row.. surely it should come out red soon>?
well, no... not really, the odds on it giving red or black are 50/50
the accumaltive odds on getting 8 blacks in a row are quite low,
but on a non accumalive RNG it will reguarly hit like this,
it hasnt theoreticly done 8 black numbers in a row,
in ideal probablity it should have done
red,black,red,black,red,black,red,black
it has only missed 4 stages of 50/50, because even though you bet on black, you didnt bet with the odds...
so its done 4 numbers with the odds and 4 numbers against
if you were to change your colour at the wrong point, you would be betting even more numbers against the odds
you could bet red black red black
at a point where the machine wants to give black red black red... theoreticly you would never win a spin in this situation
if the roulette wheel produced a period of exact probability it would cycle numbers 1-36 either in order or in reverse order and go black red, 18 times in alternation... due to the actual order on the board this is impossible... so within a 36 number run, in ideal probability it would need to show every number...
to expect a zero within 37 spins, you woud have to be quite naive,
theoreticly, it only has to hit it every 37 spins,
but....
what if on the 36th spin it hasnt given zero,
what then? does it owe you one?
NO.. not by a long shot...
it missed it from that cycle...
so you start again... each independent spin has a 37/1 chance of hitting an individual number...
so you should assume that on the 37th spin of no green, it will take another 37 spins to hit the next..
as with red black, you are betting against the odds every other spin...
betting on zero, you are betting WITH the odds every 37th spin, the other 36 are just hope.
so even if you did get the green, EVERY 37th spin you wouldnt be up, you would be equal or below (remember it pays 36 to one not 37 house odds)
so at best, even doubling up your bet every 30 spins, if you didnt get the zero within 14 spins your system would be behind itself for the next 60 spins...
the rng in a fobt SEEMS random...
it has patterns, it doubles up on certain numbers a lot, i have no idea why, maybe its built into the system...
6 17 and 21 never come up once, they always SEEM to cluster
13 and 15 ALWAYS SEEM to come up if you bet heavily on the high third
you SEEM to win with your system on a short-term basis
why do you assume you can force a number out on these?
i play them a lot, and ive always had this insane thing where i wont leave the machine without rounding down my winnings/losses, if i have £327.75 ill waste the 7.75..
ive bet on every number apart from one before.. and its come in on the one i havent bet on..
ive also had £2.80 left, £2 on 17, and 20p on splits with 17 and 14 16 18 and 20.... and its come in on 17
streaks and patterns SEEM to happen...
some patterns do happen
the animation of each number is pre defined before the wheel moves, the starting position determins the end position, but you cant see this position till after you press the bet button
i think what you might have done, is see someone playing lucky 8ball roulette... and adapted what you saw to the zero because you just couldnt work out what you saw. you can win at the roulette in the bookies, but it doesnt matter what "system" you use
if you are concentrating on a system, and the numbers come in, WOW MY SYSTEM WORKS
if you are concentrating on a system, and the numbers dont come in, THEYVE CHANGED THIS, IT WORKED LAST TIME
it will SEEM like it is working sometimes, because you are looking specificly for those numbers
ive seen zero come up four times in a row, then do a 32 then another zero,
i am also convinced that sometimes the machine doesnt show on the screen the number it has randomly picked,
if you have money on some numbers and the number picked isnt a winner, i think there is a possiblity that the machine can then put it as any losing number it wishes.. die to the amount of times i have repeated a bet over and over and a certina number hasnt been picked, then changing bet and it coming in.. OR THATS HOW IT SEEMS
the machine wont see that it has given any wins or taken any money via your system, then be forced to pay a green, it just simply gives green every now and again, you dont even need to put the fucking red and black bets on, if you take the red and black off it doesnt even have to be green you bet on, you an bet on any number...
ive seen a chinese guy go to a roulette table in the casino and put £3000 on one number, lose and walk off...
another person at the table told me he does it all the time, a couple a week...
his system is the same as yours,
he is betting one one number, and when it comes out.. he hopes to be in profit... only difference is, his system will take a year to have bet on many numbers, and yours take an hour
your system has odds of 37/1
would you bet on a match you werent watching with a football team you dont like to beat one you do at those odds?
or a horse race you werent going to watch with a horse you hadnt heard of?
hmmm
you might be "lucky" and get it to work for a week, making you £200 in a week, but then one day you'll do £200 in one session
there are several well known "systems" for roulette... some seem to work, some dont, there are also known systems for playing fobt roulette..
they sometimes work, sometimes dont..
lets explain this mathematicly.. or attempt to (cause explaining stuff like this over a pc isnt easy)
remove the zero,
the odds on a number are 36/1 you have a one in thirty six chance of hitting a number
there are 18 black and 18 red numbers. so thats 50/50 chance on red or black
for this example i will use simply red and black to ruin your systems credibility
1)you bet on red,it comes out black..
2)you bet on red again, it comes black
3)you bet on red again, it comes black
4)you bet on red again, it comes black
5)you bet on red again, it comes black
6)you bet on red again, it comes black
7)you bet on red again, it comes black
you bet on red again, it comes blackshit, thats 8 blacks in a row.. surely it should come out red soon>?
well, no... not really, the odds on it giving red or black are 50/50
the accumaltive odds on getting 8 blacks in a row are quite low,
but on a non accumalive RNG it will reguarly hit like this,
it hasnt theoreticly done 8 black numbers in a row,
in ideal probablity it should have done
red,black,red,black,red,black,red,black
it has only missed 4 stages of 50/50, because even though you bet on black, you didnt bet with the odds...
so its done 4 numbers with the odds and 4 numbers against
if you were to change your colour at the wrong point, you would be betting even more numbers against the odds
you could bet red black red black
at a point where the machine wants to give black red black red... theoreticly you would never win a spin in this situation
if the roulette wheel produced a period of exact probability it would cycle numbers 1-36 either in order or in reverse order and go black red, 18 times in alternation... due to the actual order on the board this is impossible... so within a 36 number run, in ideal probability it would need to show every number...
to expect a zero within 37 spins, you woud have to be quite naive,
theoreticly, it only has to hit it every 37 spins,
but....
what if on the 36th spin it hasnt given zero,
what then? does it owe you one?
NO.. not by a long shot...
it missed it from that cycle...
so you start again... each independent spin has a 37/1 chance of hitting an individual number...
so you should assume that on the 37th spin of no green, it will take another 37 spins to hit the next..
as with red black, you are betting against the odds every other spin...
betting on zero, you are betting WITH the odds every 37th spin, the other 36 are just hope.
so even if you did get the green, EVERY 37th spin you wouldnt be up, you would be equal or below (remember it pays 36 to one not 37 house odds)
so at best, even doubling up your bet every 30 spins, if you didnt get the zero within 14 spins your system would be behind itself for the next 60 spins...
the rng in a fobt SEEMS random...
it has patterns, it doubles up on certain numbers a lot, i have no idea why, maybe its built into the system...
6 17 and 21 never come up once, they always SEEM to cluster
13 and 15 ALWAYS SEEM to come up if you bet heavily on the high third
you SEEM to win with your system on a short-term basis
why do you assume you can force a number out on these?
i play them a lot, and ive always had this insane thing where i wont leave the machine without rounding down my winnings/losses, if i have £327.75 ill waste the 7.75..
ive bet on every number apart from one before.. and its come in on the one i havent bet on..
ive also had £2.80 left, £2 on 17, and 20p on splits with 17 and 14 16 18 and 20.... and its come in on 17
streaks and patterns SEEM to happen...
some patterns do happen
the animation of each number is pre defined before the wheel moves, the starting position determins the end position, but you cant see this position till after you press the bet button
i think what you might have done, is see someone playing lucky 8ball roulette... and adapted what you saw to the zero because you just couldnt work out what you saw. you can win at the roulette in the bookies, but it doesnt matter what "system" you use
if you are concentrating on a system, and the numbers come in, WOW MY SYSTEM WORKS
if you are concentrating on a system, and the numbers dont come in, THEYVE CHANGED THIS, IT WORKED LAST TIME
it will SEEM like it is working sometimes, because you are looking specificly for those numbers
ive seen zero come up four times in a row, then do a 32 then another zero,
i am also convinced that sometimes the machine doesnt show on the screen the number it has randomly picked,
if you have money on some numbers and the number picked isnt a winner, i think there is a possiblity that the machine can then put it as any losing number it wishes.. die to the amount of times i have repeated a bet over and over and a certina number hasnt been picked, then changing bet and it coming in.. OR THATS HOW IT SEEMS
the machine wont see that it has given any wins or taken any money via your system, then be forced to pay a green, it just simply gives green every now and again, you dont even need to put the fucking red and black bets on, if you take the red and black off it doesnt even have to be green you bet on, you an bet on any number...
ive seen a chinese guy go to a roulette table in the casino and put £3000 on one number, lose and walk off...
another person at the table told me he does it all the time, a couple a week...
his system is the same as yours,
he is betting one one number, and when it comes out.. he hopes to be in profit... only difference is, his system will take a year to have bet on many numbers, and yours take an hour
your system has odds of 37/1
would you bet on a match you werent watching with a football team you dont like to beat one you do at those odds?
or a horse race you werent going to watch with a horse you hadnt heard of?
hmmm
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Pretty damn clear that Spyder (and one of your longest posts? 
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This also backs up most of what's been said:
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Particularly this line:
)This also backs up most of what's been said:
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Particularly this line:
Which an example of, would be:[This] is the belief that if deviations from expected behaviour are observed in repeated independent trials of some random process then these deviations are likely to be evened out by opposite deviations in the future.
If a fair coin is tossed repeatedly and tails comes up a larger number of times than is expected, a gambler may incorrectly believe that this means that heads is more likely in future tosses. Such an event is often referred to as being "due".
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sorry to point this out, but a red is never "due" on a roulette wheel, the concept of "due"-ness isnt anything to do with the "law of averages"Firefox wrote:But there is such a thing as the "law of averages" if the game isn't fixed after 8 blacks on the trot a red would be due.
again remove the zero so we dont have to talk about wierd numbers
in ideal theory the wheel should go red/black/red/black/red/black alternatively, starting one either red or black,
if it doesnt, then red isnt due, either red or black is "due" as the next spin is 50/50 chance
to predict the next future spins, as the game is 50/50 the accumaltive odds on say the next 8 spins all being black, the odds are massive, but if 8 spins have already happened, the next spin being independent has a 50/50 chance of being either red or black, thus, no a red isnt "due"