How to make 10,000 quid ....

thecannonball89 · Post by **thecannonball89** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:40 pm

Luke wislon just got served!

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:20 pm

Nah loads and loads of people are always doing bets like this, doing it online you will never have a problem.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:41 pm

HorseRacingKing wrote:
GaryChandler wrote:Yeah i had nearly 2k on murray to win couple on months ago on bet365, didnt have any problems with that.
I know 4 or 5 people who work for a bookies they say any large bets and they will restrict your account. Have you had this yet Gary?. A mate of mine had over 3k on spain then put it on nadal to win wimbledon and they restricted his account to max £20.00 bets.

I must have read over 100 posts from you, all of which were complete and utter bolox.

This however, is the first thing you have said that is correct.

But I suppose.... law of averages... you had to get lucky eventually?

HorseRacingKing · Post by **HorseRacingKing** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:29 pm

Thick skinned me, dont care what people think. How many averages in 100?

Cardinal Sin · Post by **Cardinal Sin** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:23 pm

Yes, all very true. Once I get a few hundred pounds, I'd very probably shite myself. Still, it's not like a coin toss (where there's no skill) nor indeed an accumulator (as I can pick and choose which match to bet on, or leave it if there's no good matches).

However, I'm going to make it slightly more realistic and aim for a grand instead. I can imagine Betfred (long story btw) are going to be a bit arsey about paying me the money for various reasons, so I might as well make it a sum worth getting.

ma71lda · Post by **ma71lda** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:41 am

On paper this is a very easy way of making money and I think its viable, but there is always one that lets you down on an accy which you don't expect. Look at the top section of a sections list - they are all nailed on, odds on bets, yet they don't all win.

I often throw £5 on just five matches, all short odds which I'd expect to win and it pays between £45 £50, it comes in 50% of the time.

I may give this single bet a go, but I guarantee I won't be throwing £2.5k let alone £5k on a game of football - if I get that far up the ladder! Maybe make it to £2.5k then you could start betting £100 doubles @ even money which would give a nice £300 profit each time..........now how hard could it be picking 2 winners a week.

Ifs, buts and maybes......nice one Cardinal.

ob · Post by ob » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:15 pm

amazing how many times odds on/even money bets lose on football, this is not atall viable, you would have as much chance of doing it by just chucking £10 on red, and keep doubling up that way.

Instead of doing the even money bets if you are betting on the man utd's/chelsea's you are getting 1/5 type odds, where you need to win 5 times to cover one loss - indeed the big teams seem to lose/draw every 5 or less games, if you look at the stats.

Bookies odds represent the percentage chance they think a team will win, BUT also they are toned down such that the bookies have an edge on the bet... ie. to win the toss on a cricket game, they give 10/11 on both teams. How one person can think they are better at calling correct odds than an entire team of people working for bookies that spend their whole lives making odds is quite odd; also note the odds between different bookies rarely vary all that much, so you area actually up against 10+ sets of teams making odds, maybe hundreds of people.

ma71lda · Post by **ma71lda** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:57 pm

ob, you can't compare putting £10 on black or red on a fixed/random (however you want to view it) gambling machine to a single football game of your choice.

For instance,

a) you are not limited to 2 options
b) you have form for the home team and away team. Streaks of reds/blacks are random, not form.
c) past head to head history
d) injuries and suspensions.

There are probably more factors people take into consideration. Only a gambling addict would rather put £10 on red or black than a football game. Assuming they have a knowledge of football.

Also, bookies are clever with their odds and no, you never get true odds on the high street but, 'evens' aren't really the true odds of red/black taking into the consideration due to the green 0, are they? Maybe I'm splitting hairs but thats just my opinion.

greenbelter · Post by **greenbelter** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:59 pm

How many likely looking bets do you get that are evens?

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:51 pm

If you are betting on the High street to typical 111% books the odds of getting 10 "even" money shots are 50/111 ^ 10 or about 1 in 2907. It's difficult to assume that the professional odds makers would be so far out to make this feasible. Betfair may give you a chance.

rook1984 · Post by **rook1984** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:18 pm

you do get a bigger price on Betfair , but then they take a percentage if you win, so at the end of the day it doesnt normally make that much difference if you bet with bookies or Betfair.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:43 pm

Betfair's 102% books with,say, highest rate commission of 5% would equate to a one in 1609 chance for ten winners. Depends on the liquidity of the game you are betting on. 101% would give you a 1 in 1459 chance.

Mattb · Post by **Mattb** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:51 pm

I don't think ob was saying it's exactly the same, i see where he is coming from though. I've stopped doing £10er trebles for now on footy, i did about 14 in a row without a win recently, mostly all odds on teams too. Someone, somewhere will always let you down.

Closest i got to a big winner was a millionaire slip in laddies last season. £2 bet, got 14/15 of the first 15 results spot on....only one that let me down was the very top game, Villa v Sunderland. Mackems hadn't won away all season and chose that week to do it. Cost me £2,750. Gutted.

swych · Post by **swych** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:02 am

HorseRacingKing wrote:
GaryChandler wrote:Yeah i had nearly 2k on murray to win couple on months ago on bet365, didnt have any problems with that.
I know 4 or 5 people who work for a bookies they say any large bets and they will restrict your account. Have you had this yet Gary?. A mate of mine had over 3k on spain then put it on nadal to win wimbledon and they restricted his account to max £20.00 bets.

betfair will never limit how much you can get on. the only games you cannot get money on are the real small ones which nobody bets any way. in a single match on betfair you can see how much is matched and it is always in the hundreds of thousands, the prices are always slightly better than the bookies so you can get your 5k on easy.

ob · Post by ob » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:51 am

ma71lda wrote: For instance,

a) you are not limited to 2 options
b) you have form for the home team and away team. Streaks of reds/blacks are random, not form.
c) past head to head history
d) injuries and suspensions..

But don't you get it:

All these factors are took into account by bookies when they make the odds, infact there is often little point in looking into any of this, because it is all reflected in the odds given. What makes you think bookies would overlook ANYTHING, when they have teams of people that make the odds.

Infact on roulette at 97.2% (casino is 98.6% on even chances) you have more chance of doing this run of wins, as you are giving up 2.8% rather than 10% which is what bookies run too on their football betting odds.