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Mr McStreak
So you never went around doing cash attacks, or plugging paragons on Casino Royal...anfield road wrote:at the end of the day I aint a thief, have never plugged a bandit and never put a c4 back on!! some people on here worry to much about what people on here think about them
Bollocks.
Never went round pulling the lead out of the back of the Will Hill FOBT's when you were doing lucky 8 roulette, a trick you ruined?...
Bollocks.
Never went around tooling machines through the Luminar note acceptor...
Bollocks.
You're a thief, and a liar. Simple as that.
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trayhop123
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I think you'll find that if a machine decides to give you a £2 play for less money than it should, then that is the fault of the machine, intentions be damned.
As soon as the machine span the reels, it accepted the contract between the player and the provider for the sum agreed. No case to answer, since the machine is only being interacted with legally - i.e buttons and coins.
The courts are not there to protect sloppy business practices, and generally will not do so if a case is brought.
Always makes me laugh when people spout "it's illegal !" without even considering:-
1. Which law do they think might be getting broken.
2. Whether or not the action in question is actually covered by that law.
As soon as the machine span the reels, it accepted the contract between the player and the provider for the sum agreed. No case to answer, since the machine is only being interacted with legally - i.e buttons and coins.
The courts are not there to protect sloppy business practices, and generally will not do so if a case is brought.
Always makes me laugh when people spout "it's illegal !" without even considering:-
1. Which law do they think might be getting broken.
2. Whether or not the action in question is actually covered by that law.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Ok as a technical issue for semantics of law:
I would hazard a guess that any attempt at playing a machine in a manner that you know the machine was not (officially) programmed for,and knowing you were doing so, would constitute as fraud.
A moot point really as the fine line would be a whisker and the officials would find it ridiculous to enforce plus it would set too many precedents.
So, though I have done this many a time, I would put Random Spinner, key Extremes, Cash Attacks etc as top of the defo fraud list. Whereas units like Lotta Luck, Cash Beast etc a bit lower down. Rips/playing for advantage is at the bottom if on the list at all.
I would hazard a guess that any attempt at playing a machine in a manner that you know the machine was not (officially) programmed for,and knowing you were doing so, would constitute as fraud.
A moot point really as the fine line would be a whisker and the officials would find it ridiculous to enforce plus it would set too many precedents.
So, though I have done this many a time, I would put Random Spinner, key Extremes, Cash Attacks etc as top of the defo fraud list. Whereas units like Lotta Luck, Cash Beast etc a bit lower down. Rips/playing for advantage is at the bottom if on the list at all.
Card counting at a casino. Not illegal and gives you an advantage.
Using timing devices to predict where a ball will land in which section of a roullette wheel with winning success. Not illegal and gives you a knowing advantage.
Both cases are not prosecutable by law, but you will be asked to leave
Using timing devices to predict where a ball will land in which section of a roullette wheel with winning success. Not illegal and gives you a knowing advantage.
Both cases are not prosecutable by law, but you will be asked to leave
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
But plugging a machine is illegal! You have no right to interfere with the electrics of any machine unless you are the one who owns it! I will openly admit I don't give a shit if people choose to plug a machine or not but be very careful and make sure no eyes are on you when you do it!
how about a greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray.
Take your examples blackmogu, in both cases your actions will not affect the outcome of the game, the cards will come out the same and the ball will land on the same number. Keying a machine is legal because you are not changing the way the machine plays or the outcome (illegal if it does, but very hard to prove). You can use all the advantages in the world as long as your actions don't directly effect the outcome of a game.
how about a greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray.
If you plug a machine, you lose your credit/game. The machine powers back on and does whatever it's program says, which you have no idea what it is. You can observe what it does after, and if you find it profitable, then great. But you can't guarantee that plugging it is giving you an advantage or not, without source code inspection.Stevie S wrote:But plugging a machine is illegal! You have no right to interfere with the electrics of any machine unless you are the one who owns it! I will openly admit I don't give a shit if people choose to plug a machine or not but be very careful and make sure no eyes are on you when you do it!
I can think of many games where plugging it does not in fact give any observable advantage. Would you be arrested and charged for plugging a random game ? No. Will the landlord/arcade staff be arrested for turning his machine on and off at night (cloud 9's for an example where a benefit was observeable in some situations) ? No. But it's the same thing, because you have no idea what is actually happening to any game when you plug it.
I it is up to the manufacturers to take the simple steps of using a UPS to avoid this. The fact that they are not doing so is demonstrating to the courts if ever a case was brought that loss of power is not a serious issue.
Using your argument, it'd be illegal all those times the machine lost power and gained an advantage over the punter ! Which is not the case.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Precisely. You don't know counting cards will definitely affect the outcome of the game for your sitting period, but calculations and observation over time shows that it is mathematically probable.Stevie S wrote:Take your examples blackmogu, in both cases your actions will not affect the outcome of the game, the cards will come out the same and the ball will land on the same number. Keying a machine is legal because you are not changing the way the machine plays or the outcome (illegal if it does, but very hard to prove). You can use all the advantages in the world as long as your actions don't directly effect the outcome of a game.
Same argument with plugging machines, since you cannot observe the code that is running, you cannot know what the effect of plugging it is. You can only observe and make good the situation.
The phrase that they print about "the player having no chance of success in some games" compounds this.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
And in alot of cases, plugging only gives you advantage over the other player. When another person comes along, the machine is so far behind percentage that it rakes it all back off the unwary. Who has committed the crime then ?
The machine is not down. You are happy with your plugged winnings. And the punter that lost on a behind machine had no guarantees of winning in the first place. That's gambling.
Sorry about the multiple posts people.
The machine is not down. You are happy with your plugged winnings. And the punter that lost on a behind machine had no guarantees of winning in the first place. That's gambling.
Sorry about the multiple posts people.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"