is online poker fixed?

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:42 am

there you go then. next time something funky happens on pokerstars grab the hand history and we'll have a look.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:54 pm

'hand histories or it did'nt happen'

o.k,i just played in a 45 man 10 dollar plus a dollar game.
i was playing pretty tight and not being a mug.
i'm not in too good shape ,but i'm not far off the final table if i play my cards right.there's a platinum star with a shark rating on the other side of the table . i'm all in with ace, king.here's what happened next ,we're looking at hand #3 ,ignore the rant in hand #2

and indeed anything after hand #3

i can just about comprehend how someone would call on the lowstack he was on ,but it's still a bit 'funky' as you'd say.

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Transcript for your last 10 games requested by mr lugsy (mrlugsy@googlemail.com)

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #33593225409: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:21:27 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4205 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (3570 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5070 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (840 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8225 in chips)
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts small blind 300
mr lugsy: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [5d Qd]
Kasper 819: folds
-pacmanx63-: raises 600 to 1200
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
mr lugsy: calls 190 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (410) returned to -pacmanx63-
*** FLOP *** [6s 3s Kc]
*** TURN *** [6s 3s Kc] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [6s 3s Kc 7c] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mr lugsy: shows [5d Qd] (a pair of Kings)
-pacmanx63-: shows [3h Ah] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
-pacmanx63- collected 2130 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2130 | Rake 0
Board [6s 3s Kc 7c Kd]
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- showed [3h Ah] and won (2130) with two pair, Kings
and Threes
Seat 3: m_2508 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mr lugsy (big blind) showed [5d Qd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #33593188649: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:20:33 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4255 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (3920 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5720 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (890 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (4980 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (7075 in chips)
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts small blind 300
msusyr24: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [3d 7d]
mr lugsy said, "f uck right off you platinum starred jokerstars stooly ,6,3 offsuit you stinking fish "
mr lugsy: folds
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: raises 1200 to 1800
-pacmanx63- said, "a touch of class"
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
Uncalled bet (1200) returned to Kasper 819
Kasper 819 collected 1800 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1800 | Rake 0
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: m_2508 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: msusyr24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mr lugsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammybucka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 collected (1800)

*********** # 3 **************
PokerStars Game #33593167939: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:20:02 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4605 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1710 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5770 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (2600 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (5030 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (7125 in chips)
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
-pacmanx63-: posts small blind 300
m_2508: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [Kh As]
msusyr24: folds
mr lugsy: raises 1950 to 2550 and is all-in
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: calls 1060 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (890) returned to mr lugsy
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6s 3c]
*** TURN *** [Ks 6s 3c] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6s 3c 8s] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
m_2508: shows [3s 6d] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
mr lugsy: shows [Kh As] (a pair of Kings)
m_2508 collected 3920 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3920 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 6s 3c 8s 2h]
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: m_2508 (big blind) showed [3s 6d] and won (3920) with two
pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 4: msusyr24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy showed [Kh As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: sammybucka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 4 **************
PokerStars Game #33593150526: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:19:37 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4055 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1760 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5820 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (2650 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (5080 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (7475 in chips)
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts small blind 300
-pacmanx63-: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [7d 4h]
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
mr lugsy: folds
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to -pacmanx63-
-pacmanx63- collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (big blind) collected (900)
Seat 3: m_2508 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammybucka (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #33593121001: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:18:53 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4105 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1810 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5870 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (1355 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (2700 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (2875 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8125 in chips)
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
Dacio84: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts small blind 300
Kasper 819: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [4d Qd]
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
Dacio84: raises 705 to 1305 and is all-in
mr lugsy: folds
sammybucka: raises 1520 to 2825 and is all-in
Kasper 819: folds
Uncalled bet (1520) returned to sammybucka
*** FLOP *** [3s Kd 2s]
*** TURN *** [3s Kd 2s] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [3s Kd 2s 7h] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sammybucka: shows [Jc Ah] (a pair of Deuces)
Dacio84: shows [9d Qc] (a pair of Deuces - lower kicker)
sammybucka collected 3560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3560 | Rake 0
Board [3s Kd 2s 7h 2h]
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: m_2508 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Dacio84 showed [9d Qc] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: mr lugsy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammybucka (small blind) showed [Jc Ah] and won (3560) with a
pair of Deuces
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (big blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 6 **************
PokerStars Game #33593087591: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:18:04 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: iamtheloser (4425 in chips)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4155 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1860 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (4620 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (1405 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (3050 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (3525 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8175 in chips)
iamtheloser: posts the ante 50
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 50
m_2508: posts the ante 50
msusyr24: posts the ante 50
Dacio84: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts the ante 50
sammybucka: posts the ante 50
Kasper 819: posts the ante 50
mr lugsy: posts small blind 300
sammybucka: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [4d 5d]
Kasper 819: folds
iamtheloser: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: raises 3970 to 4570 and is all-in
Dacio84: folds
mr lugsy: folds
sammybucka: folds
Uncalled bet (3970) returned to msusyr24
msusyr24 collected 1900 from pot
msusyr24: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1900 | Rake 0
Seat 1: iamtheloser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: m_2508 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 collected (1900)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: sammybucka (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 7 **************
PokerStars Game #33593059890: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/10/03 15:17:23 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: iamtheloser (4450 in chips)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4180 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1885 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (4645 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (1630 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (3475 in chips)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 (525 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (2225 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8200 in chips)
iamtheloser: posts the ante 25
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 25
m_2508: posts the ante 25
msusyr24: posts the ante 25
Dacio84: posts the ante 25
mr lugsy: posts the ante 25
MoneyPenny07: posts the ante 25
sammybucka: posts the ante 25
Kasper 819: posts the ante 25
Dacio84: posts small blind 200
mr lugsy: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [4h 6h]
MoneyPenny07: raises 100 to 500 and is all-in
sammybucka: raises 1700 to 2200 and is all-in
Kasper 819: folds
iamtheloser: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
Dacio84: folds
mr lugsy: folds
Uncalled bet (1700) returned to sammybucka
*** FLOP *** [3c 4d 6d]
*** TURN *** [3c 4d 6d] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [3c 4d 6d 5c] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MoneyPenny07: shows [8c 8h] (a pair of Eights)
sammybucka: shows [Ad 7c] (a straight, Three to Seven)
sammybucka collected 1825 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1825 | Rake 0
Board [3c 4d 6d 5c Jh]
Seat 1: iamtheloser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: m_2508 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mr lugsy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 showed [8c 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: sammybucka showed [Ad 7c] and won (1825) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 8 **************
PokerStars Game #33593031998: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/10/03 15:16:42 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: iamtheloser (4475 in chips)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4205 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (1910 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (2035 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (2055 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (3500 in chips)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 (2560 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (2250 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8225 in chips)
iamtheloser: posts the ante 25
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 25
m_2508: posts the ante 25
msusyr24: posts the ante 25
Dacio84: posts the ante 25
mr lugsy: posts the ante 25
MoneyPenny07: posts the ante 25
sammybucka: posts the ante 25
Kasper 819: posts the ante 25
msusyr24: posts small blind 200
Dacio84: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [7h Qh]
mr lugsy: folds
MoneyPenny07: raises 400 to 800
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: folds
iamtheloser: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: raises 1210 to 2010 and is all-in
Dacio84: folds
MoneyPenny07: calls 1210
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qc Jh]
*** TURN *** [Kh Qc Jh] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qc Jh 6s] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
msusyr24: shows [Kd As] (a pair of Kings)
MoneyPenny07: shows [Jd Ac] (a pair of Jacks)
msusyr24 collected 4645 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4645 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Qc Jh 6s 3d]
Seat 1: iamtheloser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: m_2508 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (small blind) showed [Kd As] and won (4645) with a
pair of Kings
Seat 5: Dacio84 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mr lugsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 showed [Jd Ac] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: sammybucka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 9 **************
PokerStars Game #33592992206: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/10/03 15:15:43 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: iamtheloser (4500 in chips)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (1715 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (2135 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (2460 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (2080 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (3525 in chips)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 (2585 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (3965 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8250 in chips)
iamtheloser: posts the ante 25
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 25
m_2508: posts the ante 25
msusyr24: posts the ante 25
Dacio84: posts the ante 25
mr lugsy: posts the ante 25
MoneyPenny07: posts the ante 25
sammybucka: posts the ante 25
Kasper 819: posts the ante 25
m_2508: posts small blind 200
msusyr24: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [5h 3h]
Dacio84: folds
mr lugsy: folds
MoneyPenny07: folds
sammybucka: raises 1200 to 1600
Kasper 819: folds
iamtheloser: folds
-pacmanx63-: raises 90 to 1690 and is all-in
m_2508: folds
msusyr24: folds
sammybucka: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [3s Tc 3d]
*** TURN *** [3s Tc 3d] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [3s Tc 3d 8d] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sammybucka: shows [7h 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
-pacmanx63-: shows [Jc Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
-pacmanx63- collected 4205 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4205 | Rake 0
Board [3s Tc 3d 8d 5c]
Seat 1: iamtheloser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (button) showed [Jc Jd] and won (4205) with two
pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: m_2508 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: msusyr24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Dacio84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammybucka showed [7h 7c] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Threes
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 10 **************
PokerStars Game #33592972646: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/10/03 15:15:14 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: iamtheloser (4525 in chips)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (1940 in chips)
Seat 3: m_2508 (2560 in chips)
Seat 4: msusyr24 (1660 in chips)
Seat 5: Dacio84 (2105 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (3550 in chips)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 (2610 in chips)
Seat 8: sammybucka (3990 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (8275 in chips)
iamtheloser: posts the ante 25
-pacmanx63-: posts the ante 25
m_2508: posts the ante 25
msusyr24: posts the ante 25
Dacio84: posts the ante 25
mr lugsy: posts the ante 25
MoneyPenny07: posts the ante 25
sammybucka: posts the ante 25
Kasper 819: posts the ante 25
-pacmanx63-: posts small blind 200
m_2508: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [2s 4h]
msusyr24: raises 1235 to 1635 and is all-in
Dacio84: folds
mr lugsy: folds
MoneyPenny07: folds
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: folds
iamtheloser: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: folds
Uncalled bet (1235) returned to msusyr24
msusyr24 collected 1225 from pot
msusyr24: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: iamtheloser (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: m_2508 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: msusyr24 collected (1225)
Seat 5: Dacio84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MoneyPenny07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sammybucka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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JG · Post by JG » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:20 am

You're going to get a stern ticking off from PP for your conduct in round 2 Mr Lugsy, so prepare for that one in advance.

Let's break this down.

Blinds 300/600. Antes of 50. 8 handed. 9 seats.

I'm not a Kakapo parrot.

PokerStars Game #33593167939: Tournament #200610224, $11+$1 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/10/03 15:20:02 ET
Table '200610224 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (4605 in chips) SMALL BLIND
Seat 3: m_2508 (1710 in chips) BIG BLIND
Seat 4: msusyr24 (5770 in chips)
Seat 6: mr lugsy (2600 in chips) AGGRIEVED POSTEE
Seat 8: sammybucka (5030 in chips)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (7125 in chips) BUTTON

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mr lugsy [Kh As]
Dealt to m_2508 [3s 6d]

msusyr24: folds
mr lugsy: raises 1950 to 2550 and is all-in
sammybucka: folds
Kasper 819: folds
-pacmanx63-: folds
m_2508: calls 1060 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (890) returned to mr lugsy
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6s 3c]
*** TURN *** [Ks 6s 3c] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6s 3c 8s] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
m_2508: shows [3s 6d] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
mr lugsy: shows [Kh As] (a pair of Kings)
m_2508 collected 3920 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3920 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 6s 3c 8s 2h]
Seat 2: -pacmanx63- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: m_2508 (big blind) showed [3s 6d] and won (3920) with two
pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 4: msusyr24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mr lugsy showed [Kh As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: ivemetquizmaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kasper 819 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet

m_2508 only has one decision to make in this round.
Stake an extra 1060 to win a 3920 pot.

Before we go any further, what is the prize structure and full mtt stats? How many players left? How close to the bubble?

Assuming you've got any combination of broadways or pocket pairs, 6 3 stacks up at, well he's about 15% to win against most pocket pairs 7,7 and above, he's squeezed to slightly less if you see 6s or 3s and 5s, 4s level up to a 22% win rate with lowly 2s being far more flippy and only slight favourite against 6 3. Most broadways leave him 35% to win.
At a horribly vague guestmate, he has to be thinking he'll bag it 1 in 4 times if you've been playing tightly, but now have about 4BBs and need to make a move with something.

So he'll lose 1060 3 times for every time he wins 3920. Probably a mathematically viable play, induced by a poker stat player analyser. Maybe he sees himself on code red being shortstacked himself, they're mighty blinds and doesn't fancy folding and seeing a 300+50 next round with little hammer if no action.

I wouldn't have called in his situation, maybe he saw that as the point he HAD to defend his blinds no matter what. A last ditch effort to save the ship sinking below 1k.

It's slightly funky, more so as a 3 6 call is so counter intuitive but not horribly funky. My funkiest hand is on a cash game on Full Tilt with pocket 4s (unraised BB) losing on a flop on 9,4,9, I lost to 9,j and 9,k (I think) as the turn and river came k, j!!! Still that never happenned as no hand history.

I would have folded my 3,6os to your raise, probably incorrectly. Let our resident analyst Peter, please step forward.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:30 am

when i went out a couple of hands later,the table closed,with me out in tenth thus starting the final table.i'm a hundred percent that i made the right play ,and that's all you can do,but if i were the other guy ,that 6,3 is way behind any conceivable hand i'm playing that late in a game.i'd rather lose the blind in this situation and move in with a few hundred more than the blind next time all in .this close to the bubble puts alot of players off calling and the fact he was platinum commands him some respect if it's completely un warranted,i'd definately rather face 2 players next hand with something that's hardly gonna be worse,unless ....i knew what the flop was gonna be

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:40 am

btw ,prize structure was pay 7th about double stake upto just over 150usd for first place.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:18 am

I'm afraid it's as simple as he gave up after a probable long string of bad hands, said "Ah fuck it." and stuck it in.

after that you're only a 2/1 favourite which means it's not that big of an out draw.

thought you were going to show us something bad

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:50 am

what so no insider knowledge then?

why not say feck it next hand with something better?

next time pete i'll show you something proper fishy

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:46 am

just re-read it.
It's his big blind isn't it?
he has 1710
puts in 50 ante and 600 BB
he can't leave that behind.
with blinds, antes and the portion of your bet he can actually match the pot is
6x50 + 300 + 600 + 1060 = 2260
his call is pretty sound unless he knows for a fact you have an over pair.
even then , if he passes he knows he has to put his 350 of remaining 1060 in before he's even seen his cards next hand, meaning he's commited to that.

looking at it again, I think his call with 6,3 is perfectly justifiable

PLUnion · Post by **PLUnion** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:16 am

Absolute rubbish. That was negative flop equality and certainly negative turn equality. I would never move in with less than a king as even with a chip stack of one you can win tournaments by holding out. Phil Helman's won the 2002 world series of poker by blinding out the competitors with just 37 chips, by the time he won the final table, he had just one chip to his name. The only excusable play by the 63 may heve been that he was bluffing, even then I usually bluff with a minimum of a jack, just in case.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:46 am

lol. there's such a thing as too much reading.
It's a $10 short field tourney, not the WSOP.
The guy has 38% of his stack in preflop.
I would personally pass and put the remaining chips in blind on the SB same as you.
As I said, the fact is, he's given up and stuck it in and miraculously he's actually getting the right price for the hand match up.

Also, who the hell is Phil Helman?

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:19 am

is he the poker player who likes mayonnaise on his chips?