Fruit Machine Chat

Totally absurd.

After the run of cards I've had, I have to reinstate my belief that on line poker is.....'not right'. I'm giving it a miss for a while. My tracker results show I'm unlucky. After a while I was also playing badly. I've contacted the poker room concerned and asked for my luck to be boosted up. I'll have to give it a miss for a while though. It's incredible.

Play 50p/£1 instead of 30p/60p. Apparently you get +6% luck. I've had a free £25 on Paddy Power and have been winning all weekend over there. Maybe luck, maybe not. If you register you play on the beginner tables. Easy pickings .

My current grumble with online poker at the moment ( other than getting myself into a decent position chipwse in MTT's then my cards drying up like the f*cking Sahara) is...................

..........if I have A 8 suited I will limp in and hope the flop goes my way, 9 times out of 10 it doesn't, somebody will raise big and I'll fold. I can almost guarantee the very next flop will come down A A 8, and this is hapenning far too often - very uncanny indeed.

Now this may all be psycological like when the 2 jp reels spin on the line with the 3rd is one above - so close yet so far.

I feel as though I'm getting better at poker though. I do well in cash games, yet struggle in MTT's when it gets down to the last 30 players or so. T'other day I turned $10 into $29.98 in the space of 2 hours playing 5/10c blinds.

Yeah, yeah, indeedy.

Poker is a serious head**ck at times. You can't do right for wrong or whatever the saying is. It can be so frustrating when you have an opponent who is tricky but you KNOW you're better than they are and you can't quite crack them.
You see some downright wierd plays though on William Hill. I like to play loose aggressive from time to time and I appreciate other poeple aren't stupid, but when you've got the ultimate in calling stations amazing things can happen. It's heads up and it's pure psychological warfare. You pick up J9 suited and raise to 4BBs, he calls. J 2 5 hits the board, you bet 80%ish of the pot. He calls. Knowing how loose HE is, you bet big again when a 7 hits the turn. A queen hits the river and he raises. Showdown his AK vs my busted j9. Later on you pick up a pair of 7s, raise it up 4bbs, flop comes K 9 7 rainbow, fast play is the new slow play, so 70% bet. Fold. Fold. Maybe he had 6 3.

You pick up A Q and it's 4 bb time again. Flop comes A 4 7. Then a Q. Same pattern as before. Calls all the way to the 5 on river. Any gutshot, any backdoor, any overcard and he's there.

He hits so beautifully though and even when I check real made hands, his aggression suddenly becomes super passive.




I swear to God some of these gooners have access to software they shouldn't have. I think there is an inner sanctum of gremlins.

TRACKER: Distribution of pockets and boards is NATURAL ie not rigged.
Significiant hand results are currently SKEWED inidcating extraordinary and I do mean extraordinary levels of outdraws. My hypothesis is not that this is rigged by the software for the other player BUT that the other player has software which knows the cards dealt in advance. That could explain the inconsistent playing style (Don't say he was mixing it up, I will murder you) and swewed coin flips etc.....

I swear to God there is a Masonic element of upholders. Arrrrgggh!! Very annoying. Steer clear, if you can. I still make.

Are there any gambling games out there that someone hasn't accused of being 'fixed' yet?

Fixing online player-to-player poker is absurd. The house has their rake regardless of who wins, no more no less.

Let's assume that a few players do indeed have magic card-reading software. For them to use it long-term, the poker site will have to be in on it, else the stats will give them away. If this is the case, I suggest you call 0800 555 111 to step up and claim your reward.

Unless you play at $5/$10 and above you're always going to be playing unpredictable muppets who limp in with 7-2 offsuit and hit a full house. That's why it appears extremely unlucky, because you're playing chancers who give the cards every opportunity to hit.

Play 'good' players who conform to 'optimum strategy' and you'll rarely see the shite cards hitting good hands because they've either bluffed you into folding or folded themselves. But if they all played through to the river, you'd see the same improbable bad beats as you do with $0.10/$0.20 retards.

If your hand history is as statistically significant as you claim, why not blow the whistle to the licensing authority, the auditors or even competitors who I'm sure will pay a modest sum for the info.

I've sent a copy of my hand history to William Hill, but as I only keep details of 'significant' hands, they were unable to act upon it, they also mentioned my 'bad luck' was within acceptable levels of variance and that long runs of bad luck are inevitable, before the standard guff about 'a company of our reputation' etc etc

I think essentially as the core data is an ASCII file which could be manipulated (smiley winky face thing) by me, it's not considered hard evidence. Also they don't think it worth their while to look through my full hand histories. At the end of the day I play micro stakes/low stakes, so I'm guessing it's not seen as the next Watergate.

My computer automatically keeps logs of all hands played for up to two months from date of play until they are deleted to free up space.

My tracker software (Poker tracker v2), has allowed me to compare certain types of hands but not fully to my desired specifications. It is complicated, so maybe I'm missing something.

The way I see things is as such. As soon as you're all in, that's it. No strategy left. You can't be bluffed out a pot and sigh and say 'he was lucky' when he may have had nothing. The cards are on the table and it is down to luck. I keep a portfolio of these all in hands. So as I see it a 'significant' hand is one in which I or they have committed all chips with one or more cards to come. This is a true test of luck with no cloak and dagger stuff.

I have created a seperate file for these types of hands. It is from these hands that I can see that I am i) An unlucky f'ing bastard ii) Someone knows more than they should.

Remember, the suspicion here is of 'shill' players, not rigged deals! I must start keeping a record of 'dodgy' players on Hills. You type their name, exact case, into Sharkscope/right network and it's "This player does not exist on this network" hmmmmmmm. Or the ominous "Data is not available for this player" which means they or someone has requested that this be disabled.


There is something fishy (and it's not me - honest!) going on. I'd just love to know what it is. My gut instinct tells me that this is more than just continued bad luck. It **could** be variance, but I feel not.


For the record I'm over £600 up on this site (Hills) and £300 up over all, so I've no axe to grind in realtion to money lost. I've not lost thousands of pounds, only hours. I win roughly 0.00000000000000000000000002 BB/hour !!


On a plus note I did spot collusion the other day. Chip dumping. 50/100 blinds, two 1000+ish stacks, one goes in for 1000, other goes in for 1018, the 1000 stack folds. Hmmmmm. On a double yer money £10 stt, I still won, but reported it and apparently it is being acted upon.



My stats have improved slightly, but when I started recording significant hands out of 300 coin flips, I seem to remember winning about a quarter. There is probably a posting by me about this somewhere on here still.



I guess the auditors are PWC or someone of that ilk. I can't see them being interested in a sample of just over 4000 hands. The stats were for my own records to see if I was 'only remembering the outdraws'. I wasn't. I was unlucky. Same with the FOBT, we appreciate the psychology, but not all patterns should be dismissed as 'selective memory amongst gamblers'.

We are not all degenerate thickos, with stupid hypothesis and harebrain schemes and ideas. We are diseased mathematicians who like grinding axes.

FOBTs are RIGGED. FACT!
ON LINE POKER is FULL OF CHEATERS! FACT!

Even on line chess for money is full of people using coplex chess programs to play like Kasparov. Someone with an ELO of 2000 playing fair on line doesn't stand a chance on making a bean.

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RIGGED!

Even on line chess for money is full of people using coplex chess programs to play like Kasparov. Someone with an ELO of 2000 playing fair on line doesn't stand a chance on making a bean.

were do you play this JG?

Im reading a few of the poker posts on here JG usually speaks some sense but you posted this line

"You pick up J9 suited and raise to 4BBs, he calls. J 2 5 hits the board, you bet 80%ish of the pot. He calls. Knowing how loose HE is,"

How can you type this when the first sentance totally contradicts the second and you should think on a bit.

My first point is to JakeyC you are saying that companies to not allow others to see hole cards quickly type in ABSOLUTE POKER into google youll get some quit enlightening news.

Second point is another one to JG the reason you dont find the names on sharkscope is that you can opt out of sharscope being able to track your stats

pokercade wrote:My first point is to JakeyC you are saying that companies to not allow others to see hole cards quickly type in ABSOLUTE POKER into google youll get some quit enlightening news.

I stand corrected... said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.

Whilst I'm shocked that they tried it, I'm equally unshocked that they got caught. Which is kind of my point - it's possible, just highly improbable.

I'd never heard of Absolute Poker; they're regulated by a Mohawk territory in Canada, and I imagine they had more to gain from the scam than they had to lose. If Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betfair and the like ever get caught cheating then I'll be truly amazed and will likely give up online betting in all its forms.

The traffic at absolute was probably bigger than the three names u mentioned all put together. So they were not some two bit operation.

As for ladbrokes try asking them where they have there casino operations based it aint in the uk and if something goes wrong there you have very little
places to complain to.

im 99% sure that there poker is also registered in gibraltar so just because there a big name dont think that your funds are any safer than the absolute players.

I play and gamble online a lot but i never rely on the funds being safe online gaming is not as safe as people made out to start with there have been numerous examples of lax security.

Stevie S: Iirc the chess for cash was hosted on a site called skilljam.

pokercade: I appreciate the apparent irony with the j9. I guess I've quoted it out of context. I'm sure I would have been heads up or very shorthanded. In which case j9 is far more playable, even for a tight player. Particularly so when your opponent will willingly call a 4BB raise with practically anything. I was just on one as my opponent's were hitting like Tyson.

Gibraltar is a very common registration location for UK gambling companies. I can also walk into a Ladbrokes-owned shop and withdraw my money on every other street I walk down.

As for your estimate that

The traffic at absolute was probably bigger than the three names u mentioned all put together

you couldn't be more wrong. Ladbrokes, WillHill and Betfair.com each have significantly more reach, rank and page views alone let alone combined.

Take a look here (Alexa).

They all followed Victor Chandler's lead to get tax free betting when he went to Gibraltar: Ladbrokes et al soon followed. The company I work for has just won a contract to upgrade their call centres at Raynes Lane, Naas Road , Gibraltar and Milan.

Check the stats from before it was announced that absoulte is bent im fairly sure that there traffic was biger than them together.