I looked at your graph but couldnt figure it out. I just looked on http://www.pokerscout.com/ top 23 sites absolute is sitting in tenth with the traffice of ladbrokes and betfair added together that is 7 day average cash players or 24 hour peak.
Im assuming William hill didnt even make it onto the list bear in mind aboslute is either bent as can be at the moment or in the middle of a huge PR nightmare yet it can still outperform two of the three added together so as i said before they were huge.
Uk operation are still tiny compared to all the us ladbrokes could have been huge if had went ahead with its intention to go into the us but when they banned online gaming there ladbrokes pulled out. Im sure when they do go over there they will become big but till then there small fry.
Rigged
i strongly disagre with the inital post. Yeah you may be having a bad day, well in your case a bad period at the office, it does not mean it's rigged.
The word rigged is used so much throught Online gaming, the cards are on a continuious shuffle with most online Pokerwebsites, there for the chances of you hitting your hand is dramaticaly reduced. The reson for this is to make the "online game" Fair as possible.
The only time i would say Rigged at online table is when 3people are in one hand (includingin myself) and the other two are playing with eachother I.e Through MSN ect ect ect suttle details can tell when players are colluding... then is the time to say the fuckers rigged it, and simply gather your winnings and move to another table.
The word rigged is used so much throught Online gaming, the cards are on a continuious shuffle with most online Pokerwebsites, there for the chances of you hitting your hand is dramaticaly reduced. The reson for this is to make the "online game" Fair as possible.
The only time i would say Rigged at online table is when 3people are in one hand (includingin myself) and the other two are playing with eachother I.e Through MSN ect ect ect suttle details can tell when players are colluding... then is the time to say the fuckers rigged it, and simply gather your winnings and move to another table.
Very true. Since contacting customer services and demanding my 'luck' switch be reactivated, I can confirm, on line poker is not currently rigged.
Best just to take a very large dose of salt or ear/eye plugs with anything I say.
As for those FOBTs, uuuuft.......can of worms. How can random machines pay to a %? Why does black come up every time? Why does the dealer always have 21? Are the new wave of randomly compensated random B3s really random?
Best just to take a very large dose of salt or ear/eye plugs with anything I say.
As for those FOBTs, uuuuft.......can of worms. How can random machines pay to a %? Why does black come up every time? Why does the dealer always have 21? Are the new wave of randomly compensated random B3s really random?
Yeah let's bring it on. I reckon that bonus roulette thing in Betfred is dodgy. Usually lose or half 75% of the time. If my opponent has two cards of the same suit, he always flops a flush. Every time. Elvis is rigged. And dead. Bring it on!!!! Ladbrokes on line quizzes are not random!!!
I also enjoy silly debates about randominity. Let the tin foil hatters unite and cause mayhem.
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I also enjoy silly debates about randominity. Let the tin foil hatters unite and cause mayhem.
Indiana Jones says "Do it...now!"
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if for "some reason" the chip lead reraises you all-in with 6,2 off suit against your pocket kings, and hits a 2 flush on the river ,turn off your computer and seek solace in the arms of your daughters large tweeny toy.
if you go red 6 times on the trot and lose ,do not swap to black or you will still lose,just as you would have if you'd still bet red ,says betfred ,right said fred,drop dead fred ,start a new thread.
if you play laddies blackjack and stick on 17 the next card is always a 4 thus making the dealers unlucky 13 rather infuriating even to a zen buddhist.
jim royal could finish this sentence............random,_ _ , _ _ _ _.
if you go red 6 times on the trot and lose ,do not swap to black or you will still lose,just as you would have if you'd still bet red ,says betfred ,right said fred,drop dead fred ,start a new thread.
if you play laddies blackjack and stick on 17 the next card is always a 4 thus making the dealers unlucky 13 rather infuriating even to a zen buddhist.
jim royal could finish this sentence............random,_ _ , _ _ _ _.
It is extremely rare that anybody has software which is reading hole cards.. I think this could only be an inside job due to the server configuration. With regard to the site having an interest in rigging the play.. bear in mind that they are going to boost the rake significantly if players are often coming heads up in situations such as KK v AA etc where there is likely to be a big pot showdown. Therefore, might be happening to people more often. I personally use pokerstars as I believe they are the only poker site to have the software investigated on a regular basis by a third party company. Don't really know if some sites are rigged.. this topic kind of strays into tinfoil hat territory! lol
If you think are Poker Pete is ferocious and dragon like when accusations of on line poker being rigged are flying, try logging/joining onto Full Tilt Poker.
Find Quiet Lion (Richard whatsisface) and railbird at the table. ON the rail chat type 'on line poker is rigged' and just see what happens. Just see. I dare you.
Last time I played on line, it did seem a bit rigged to be honest. However I also played a live game this weekend and that seemed a bit rigged. I think to be honest, life is slightly rigged. That's just my non rigged take on things.
I love moaning about things being rigged.
Find Quiet Lion (Richard whatsisface) and railbird at the table. ON the rail chat type 'on line poker is rigged' and just see what happens. Just see. I dare you.
Last time I played on line, it did seem a bit rigged to be honest. However I also played a live game this weekend and that seemed a bit rigged. I think to be honest, life is slightly rigged. That's just my non rigged take on things.
I love moaning about things being rigged.
there used to be (about 4 years ago) a program that you could run alongside pokerstars, and it would tell you what cards had been dealt, not exactly which card was in who's hand, just a list of the cards that were no longer available in the pack.
the pokerstars software was updated shortly after i heard of the program and it stopped working.
but somewhere someone will still have something like this. the pokerstars site says there are people constantly trying to hack the software, but they monitor everything 24/7 too look for hackers..
but i suppose its only when a long string of inconsistant plays acrrues that anything gets flagged..
if someone was to write a working hack, and they kept it to themselves, they would probably slip through the net and be able to use it solo forever... its when the greed of selling the application to a few people kicks in, then its fucked.
jg, you will have to be alert to this kind of thing, cant you just simply move table once you spot someone winning strangely?
you wouldnt want to be on the same table as me.... when i play poker online, i play like a c*&t, i only load in money i dont care if i lose, so i play whatever i want, if i get bored i play like a complete moron, if im having a chilled out session while half watching a film i play really slow, and get buzzed by the clock on every play... just remember that people with internet access and a bit of free cash/an addiction to gambling, arent always thinking on the same frame of mind to yourself, why not just sit out and observe someone you suspect of cheating for a few hours... maybe it'll be a differnet perspective if you arent actually playing against them
the pokerstars software was updated shortly after i heard of the program and it stopped working.
but somewhere someone will still have something like this. the pokerstars site says there are people constantly trying to hack the software, but they monitor everything 24/7 too look for hackers..
but i suppose its only when a long string of inconsistant plays acrrues that anything gets flagged..
if someone was to write a working hack, and they kept it to themselves, they would probably slip through the net and be able to use it solo forever... its when the greed of selling the application to a few people kicks in, then its fucked.
jg, you will have to be alert to this kind of thing, cant you just simply move table once you spot someone winning strangely?
you wouldnt want to be on the same table as me.... when i play poker online, i play like a c*&t, i only load in money i dont care if i lose, so i play whatever i want, if i get bored i play like a complete moron, if im having a chilled out session while half watching a film i play really slow, and get buzzed by the clock on every play... just remember that people with internet access and a bit of free cash/an addiction to gambling, arent always thinking on the same frame of mind to yourself, why not just sit out and observe someone you suspect of cheating for a few hours... maybe it'll be a differnet perspective if you arent actually playing against them
I have had to withdraw all my money. There is a fault with the software.
Basically if it detects obsessive playing, that is regular patterns of playing sessions for several hours within any 24 hour period, coupled with skilled play, it will offer biased cards given time.
This means opponents tend to hit more than they should, given that an opponent is playing less obsessively and less skillfully. That's the general rule anyway.
Biased deals come up again and again. Full Tilt for example are the worst site I have experienced for this stupid rigged bias and they have specialist cookies that don't forget you when you come back!
However you're getting pretty bad on Hills as well and I'm finding stupid things happening time and time again. At first you can put it down to variance, but then when you're obviously being cold decked down to some computer alogorithm, I know it's time to call it a day.
FACT: Some on line poker sites are rigged
Check my stats, I'm no punter who has lost ££££s (I'm actually up all time on William Hill poker - which is partly why I'm DOOMED) and now has an axe to grind. I'm a punter who is grinding the axe because of my stats where I am committed pre flop. They're way out of the expected frequency. For instance, AK vs small pair is winning for me 36% of the time with the AK over a sample size of 344. This is a rather subnormal statistic, I have many others but I doubt you'll read them and will just send me a standard letter saying your RNGs are audited by PriceWaterhouse Coopers.
I'm sure they are and I'm sure they're as random as Brownian motion. Fair enough. It's the software that is rigged as it's programmed by various branches of The Mafia and The Mob, probably more so The Mob, but there you go, I'm not going to point any fingers as those guys are dangerous. However I'm sure I'd get plenty of corporate white shirts telling me I was experiencing more deals per hour and that was what the problem was. I could persist and show my stats to the 2+2 forums where I would be told my sample size is not large enough and you get huge variances in poker.
Well I'll tell you this, I've got a huge arsenal of stored information in my brain. I know when I'm not getting the rub of the nap and when I'm being forced to pedal up a cheating gradient.
Anyway I've been fobbed off on The Forums, with praise for actually showing statistics but basically dismissed as just being 'unlucky'. Well I know unlucky and I know rigged and if I were to persist, eventually I'd find myself in Gibraltar staring down the wrong end of a shotgun.
That's the nature of the business and I just thought you should know that the people who are programming your software have fingers in some very dirty pies.
I'd rather play on an 'in house' coded William Hill software programmed by fair trade ethnically diverse organic computer programmers than have to put up with this psuedo cinematic highly calorific bullsh*t tin pot disposable nonsense that passes for on line poker these days.
Absolute bull, absolute bull. Well I've had my rant and I know you've probably not read it WHICH IS WHY THE DOOM SWITCH IS ON 'LIKELY TO BE DOOMED' setting for my account. Well put it down to rock hard never hit a flop setting for all I care as I'm out.
THIS IS A DISGRACE!!!!
Full Tilt unistalled
William Hill unistalled
Now on PokerStars, last chance to see if on line poker can play fair.
Basically if it detects obsessive playing, that is regular patterns of playing sessions for several hours within any 24 hour period, coupled with skilled play, it will offer biased cards given time.
This means opponents tend to hit more than they should, given that an opponent is playing less obsessively and less skillfully. That's the general rule anyway.
Biased deals come up again and again. Full Tilt for example are the worst site I have experienced for this stupid rigged bias and they have specialist cookies that don't forget you when you come back!
However you're getting pretty bad on Hills as well and I'm finding stupid things happening time and time again. At first you can put it down to variance, but then when you're obviously being cold decked down to some computer alogorithm, I know it's time to call it a day.
FACT: Some on line poker sites are rigged
Check my stats, I'm no punter who has lost ££££s (I'm actually up all time on William Hill poker - which is partly why I'm DOOMED) and now has an axe to grind. I'm a punter who is grinding the axe because of my stats where I am committed pre flop. They're way out of the expected frequency. For instance, AK vs small pair is winning for me 36% of the time with the AK over a sample size of 344. This is a rather subnormal statistic, I have many others but I doubt you'll read them and will just send me a standard letter saying your RNGs are audited by PriceWaterhouse Coopers.
I'm sure they are and I'm sure they're as random as Brownian motion. Fair enough. It's the software that is rigged as it's programmed by various branches of The Mafia and The Mob, probably more so The Mob, but there you go, I'm not going to point any fingers as those guys are dangerous. However I'm sure I'd get plenty of corporate white shirts telling me I was experiencing more deals per hour and that was what the problem was. I could persist and show my stats to the 2+2 forums where I would be told my sample size is not large enough and you get huge variances in poker.
Well I'll tell you this, I've got a huge arsenal of stored information in my brain. I know when I'm not getting the rub of the nap and when I'm being forced to pedal up a cheating gradient.
Anyway I've been fobbed off on The Forums, with praise for actually showing statistics but basically dismissed as just being 'unlucky'. Well I know unlucky and I know rigged and if I were to persist, eventually I'd find myself in Gibraltar staring down the wrong end of a shotgun.
That's the nature of the business and I just thought you should know that the people who are programming your software have fingers in some very dirty pies.
I'd rather play on an 'in house' coded William Hill software programmed by fair trade ethnically diverse organic computer programmers than have to put up with this psuedo cinematic highly calorific bullsh*t tin pot disposable nonsense that passes for on line poker these days.
Absolute bull, absolute bull. Well I've had my rant and I know you've probably not read it WHICH IS WHY THE DOOM SWITCH IS ON 'LIKELY TO BE DOOMED' setting for my account. Well put it down to rock hard never hit a flop setting for all I care as I'm out.
THIS IS A DISGRACE!!!!
Full Tilt unistalled
William Hill unistalled
Now on PokerStars, last chance to see if on line poker can play fair.
JG