We are all well aware of the ludicrous amounts that the newer Reds can take whilst forcing for the top. Plenty of £70-£Ludicrous + from states of £10/£15 happy that would have seen you turning a nice profit in yesteryear.
My own view is that in an aim to make players 'pay' for their top features, Red have coded the all out force to be very tight. Mega Spin has much less value these days - much wider gaps between spins - too many blank spins or 1's that yield nothing. Throw in a bit of coding to allow the £15/£25 wins much less frequently even when glaringly ready - and throw in a bit of code just to lose on the hi/lo just for the hell of it.
It's all stacked against the player and maximizes the profit margin. I'd wager that if they brought one of the old school machines such as Vortex or Holy Moley and chipped it up with the new program, they would play just as poorly. Snakes has had this treatment and the new releases have been branded poor because they are the first main releases to have what I feel must be this new coding.
Indiana Jones is just as poor on the force and they add insult to injury with the double or quits safe cash gamble - how many have had that go to £35 before hitting the top ?? I'd guess most of us.
The only + side is at least the value is still there. Ludicrous strings of top features once it's gone can still happen to make percentage - I had a £175 of a Gold Strike last week which took the complete mickey beforehand.
I am seriously considering milking some better features in the right circumstances on the new breed. Better to take your £30 profit quickly then be dragged through a hedge backwards after £200 and a lucky escape with enough top features/JP's to be at the same profit point- couple that scenario with a non notey or poorly floated machine and you are stuffed.
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I'm sick of cash or bust, 4 times i've pushed these now and 4 times i've lost, the latest one was yesterday, full first £ could be refill, did'nt know the location, ARB3 on 1 nudge, go on then i thought, got to £30 odd in and it was just going nowhere, cost £110 for a £70 top in the end which i was delighted with, after checking a few boards i walked mid £40's down, only went in there for a cash attack that was dead and ended up trying the COB and copped for that, still had a good day overall so can't moan, i just can't get a result on these new reds, trouble is in 6 months if your not playing them what will it leave?
Cobwebs 
will someone else do a search for my post saying i was looking forward to the ner reds, and saying maybe they work a bit like older ones....
hmm, seems others are thinking the same...
the last 3 or 4 times i played a copper load of this, i managed to make £30ish from just collecting before the blocks/nearly okish features...
they quite commonly throw in a £15 or £10 win too when you are collecting wins.. which gives you a pretty nice profitt for a 5 minute stint...
hmm, seems others are thinking the same...
the last 3 or 4 times i played a copper load of this, i managed to make £30ish from just collecting before the blocks/nearly okish features...
they quite commonly throw in a £15 or £10 win too when you are collecting wins.. which gives you a pretty nice profitt for a 5 minute stint...
What? Throw in £15s when you start taking stuff? You been doing hypnosis on these machines Spyder!? Stuff like CLT you can't really milk because of the board costs at times. Main things that bust you on these are refills and tenner readiness. The tenner block on CLT can be gigantic and take £80 odd to pass at times. Get them past this and you should be ok.
"Sixty percent of the time, it works, every time!"
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red22
disagree with matt agree with spyder , they are bollocks .... when redding collect the value and mostly come off £10-£30 up apart from that avoid avoid AVOID... new reds arent rreally forceable anymore ... some cobs ok vortexes ok ..... clot are wank ... this maybe is argumentative but play 100 redding clot and you will lose in my opinion, admittadely u will get the odd massive win but in the long run its a a loss...
arguments on a postcard please.
arguments on a postcard please.
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Seems they are causing a bit of a divide then. I'll carry on chasing them and all new reds though. Only had a really bad hit on one CLT yesterday when we got £230 in and lost £95 on it overall, but it was 70% and refill full. Was tenner ready though so i don't know, maybe someones afters. I'd say 75-80% of chases i've had on them have returned a profit though.
"Sixty percent of the time, it works, every time!"
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red22
I'm gonna go for the milk option next time i catch one ready, i've gave these newer breed of reds enough chances, to costly and to nasty to push for tops, if i can make £30 collecting wins then thats what i'll aim for, maybe i've been unlucky with the ones i've taken on so far, but from the state i played them in i know if it was a Vortex, Invince, OAR etc 99 times out of a 100 i'd have turned a decent profit, when i hear people on here on about them its like there on about totally different machines.
I know Martal and Trayhop have had some decent results on COB, but i'm still waiting for one.
I've finished pushing these, lets try collecting and see how i do, can't be any worse!!!!
I know Martal and Trayhop have had some decent results on COB, but i'm still waiting for one.
I've finished pushing these, lets try collecting and see how i do, can't be any worse!!!!
Cobwebs
wasnt trying to start an argument:Mattb wrote:What? Throw in £15s when you start taking stuff? You been doing hypnosis on these machines Spyder!? Stuff like CLT you can't really milk because of the board costs at times. Main things that bust you on these are refills and tenner readiness. The tenner block on CLT can be gigantic and take £80 odd to pass at times. Get them past this and you should be ok.
all you get is the value...
if you are trying to force it out, you'll get above the 5er if it was ready to go above...
if you dont gamble above the £5 and milk it a bit it stays happy for a board or two when there is value to be had
when you do this, it can quite easily give you a couple of £5ers a couple of hiddens and if it goes high on the nudges it might give you 10 or 15... or even 25... (I KNOW THATS PUSHING IT A BIT BUT I HAD IT ONCE)
but when you're £5 into the machine its too easy to go higher on that 3 on the £15 and get committed to getting the 15 again.. then getting committed to the force..
a slightly different approach is to collect the fivers, and not so much recycle them but see if you can string a couple of boards together
you'll slowly milk the value, or lose.... and id defintely rather lose £10 or make £20 than put £200 in and maybe hit a streak before you run out of money.
easyest way to do this is collect £4 or above if it nudges in, take ANY red feature or hiddens... i play on megaspins, nudge lowest win in if the features are good, use all the bonus's to the potential... dont gamble the feature's and most of all have a bit of luck...
dont push your luck on it and play a bit slower than usual.
and i forgot to mention
if you were to attempt to gamble above the £5er and win, then you would have 7.. and another gamble and youd be near 10 then 15 then 25 then the top
but if you lose you get sucked in..
if you didnt lose and on the first board you gambled all the way up and it gave two repeats then you missed out on 100quid by collecting the £5er
but in the real world... that aint gonna happen... so i collect the £5er and whatever else i can get...
bearing in mind this is only on copper load of this... i havent seen any other reds i cant force out other than this one
if you were to attempt to gamble above the £5er and win, then you would have 7.. and another gamble and youd be near 10 then 15 then 25 then the top
but if you lose you get sucked in..
if you didnt lose and on the first board you gambled all the way up and it gave two repeats then you missed out on 100quid by collecting the £5er
but in the real world... that aint gonna happen... so i collect the £5er and whatever else i can get...
bearing in mind this is only on copper load of this... i havent seen any other reds i cant force out other than this one
Can't really comment on CLT as i've only had the 1 unit and I've had 1 good result, 1 nasty hit and the latest was a very lucky £105 top after 3 flat tops resulting in a £5 profit, but at the moment I feel it's 1 to avoid.
COB the only problem I find with these is theres no signs!! when people talk about taking it on from ready I don't understand what they're trying to say?? COB is a very random red that'll go up from a dead looking state and not go up from a very red looking state.
I've had it blocking at £7 for an age then going straight up, i've had it gambling upto SS several boards and still walking down.
1 thing I'v noticed is it tends to give the top far more from filling the Cash or bust name than gambling out.
But 1 question I've got is how do you describe a COB in a ready state when all them scenarios above have happened??
Me personally I've started playing standard play to see if it's number running, I had 3 NR's on sunday but still had to get the top via an ARB2 Board that gave both blue features to fill the red ring.
COB the only problem I find with these is theres no signs!! when people talk about taking it on from ready I don't understand what they're trying to say?? COB is a very random red that'll go up from a dead looking state and not go up from a very red looking state.
I've had it blocking at £7 for an age then going straight up, i've had it gambling upto SS several boards and still walking down.
1 thing I'v noticed is it tends to give the top far more from filling the Cash or bust name than gambling out.
But 1 question I've got is how do you describe a COB in a ready state when all them scenarios above have happened??
Me personally I've started playing standard play to see if it's number running, I had 3 NR's on sunday but still had to get the top via an ARB2 Board that gave both blue features to fill the red ring.
betchrider wrote:You go upto a bird and grab her quim and say "im gonna knock the fuck outta this" and see what happens
Yes yes yes, in a nutshell mate. If you don't play these then what the hell do you play??? Nothing?!ob wrote:In my experience these new reds can do very good streaks, but are harder to judge, and as such, losses are a bigger possibility...
Tbh if you don't play the new reds there's not much else out there too make off !??!
"Sixty percent of the time, it works, every time!"
Reds are mince and have been for a while.
Tucked away units with no clued up locals or competition are ok, appart from that - mince.
Heres my day on reds yesterday, all city center, plenty competition.
mummy - redding, cost 25 no roll. pinched a bit and made 15, 13 after drink.
lucky devil - full, new in pub that day, first board goes to £15. £45 for a show. £65 for a £105. £38 profit after drink.
mummy - 71 off - paid £1 for the balance, 3 for drink. 4 down.
mummy - 8 off, some reds on show. costs £80 for 35 - 35 tops, £28 loss inc. drink.
gems - can't key it, not full after £12 - one feature, £2 on drink - £14 loss.
mummy - back to first one, £12 off, looking good. £7 profit. £4 after drink.
mummy - full but refill. red after £15, costs £106 for £105. £4 on entry, £3 on drink. down £8.
Then a Copper load - very quite pub. Last week put £140 into it and walked away as it was still blocking at £5. This week - full, plenty in bottom, first board all red bar 2. £70 later still blocking at £5. Walked. Mate put another £50 in also blocked and walked.
Came home with £162. Should I have bothered with the reds, without even considering the copper load????
I'll bet this is a very similar story for most players who still bother with them. If you actually look properly at what it costs you in regards to time, effort, drinks, petrol, actual profit then playing reds, appart from the few tucked away ones its pretty pointless.
And the - what else will you play - argument doesn't work, as if thats the case your just feeding your habit.
Of course my day could have went differently, I could have made on all of the ones I played, but could have lost too. Average out your red days and you'll see your profit per machine per hit isn't anywhere as high as you expect or as high as it used to be.
move on folks, theres new stuff to play
Tucked away units with no clued up locals or competition are ok, appart from that - mince.
Heres my day on reds yesterday, all city center, plenty competition.
mummy - redding, cost 25 no roll. pinched a bit and made 15, 13 after drink.
lucky devil - full, new in pub that day, first board goes to £15. £45 for a show. £65 for a £105. £38 profit after drink.
mummy - 71 off - paid £1 for the balance, 3 for drink. 4 down.
mummy - 8 off, some reds on show. costs £80 for 35 - 35 tops, £28 loss inc. drink.
gems - can't key it, not full after £12 - one feature, £2 on drink - £14 loss.
mummy - back to first one, £12 off, looking good. £7 profit. £4 after drink.
mummy - full but refill. red after £15, costs £106 for £105. £4 on entry, £3 on drink. down £8.
Then a Copper load - very quite pub. Last week put £140 into it and walked away as it was still blocking at £5. This week - full, plenty in bottom, first board all red bar 2. £70 later still blocking at £5. Walked. Mate put another £50 in also blocked and walked.
Came home with £162. Should I have bothered with the reds, without even considering the copper load????
I'll bet this is a very similar story for most players who still bother with them. If you actually look properly at what it costs you in regards to time, effort, drinks, petrol, actual profit then playing reds, appart from the few tucked away ones its pretty pointless.
And the - what else will you play - argument doesn't work, as if thats the case your just feeding your habit.
Of course my day could have went differently, I could have made on all of the ones I played, but could have lost too. Average out your red days and you'll see your profit per machine per hit isn't anywhere as high as you expect or as high as it used to be.
move on folks, theres new stuff to play