Hi Lo Silver - Rechip / Battered / Fiddled / Lower %age / ?

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Slammer wrote: Youve posted a picture of a tooled Vortex and a tooled Moley. Congratulations.
They were probably glowing their nuts off and you left value :-)
Keying is as good as a criminal act, it just cannot be proven. If you want to be a thief, thats upto you.
If you saw an old lady drop her purse on the floor, you'd probably swipe it too.
read the post dickhead...

those pictures were from after i PLAYED them:
neither were "tooled" every time you see a machine that you havent played and that isnt full you blame tooling? lol
i played both those machines from a relatively good starting point... both werent full from the start but i managed to get loads out

i emptied the vortex and had to top it up with a quid to stop it alarming...
the holey moley gave me a massve streak too, if you look at the picture names i think the holey moley was a £25, thats an ages old photo...

but both are legitamate, and from normal play, and both are machines that more or less any player on here would try for a board.


my point was, i legitamately played both of those machines, and many others, and if you played it next, without checking the balances, YOU would have got stung, VERY VERY badly.
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No one with any knowledge on here would have played them through!! Because I/we would see that they were dead even if they were full from a refill. Those types of red profiles were much easier to deal with and read.

With Hi-Lo Silver its a slightly different story!!
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Spyder wrote:
Slammer wrote: Youve posted a picture of a tooled Vortex and a tooled Moley. Congratulations.
They were probably glowing their nuts off and you left value :-)
Keying is as good as a criminal act, it just cannot be proven. If you want to be a thief, thats upto you.
If you saw an old lady drop her purse on the floor, you'd probably swipe it too.
read the post dickhead...

those pictures were from after i PLAYED them:
neither were "tooled" every time you see a machine that you havent played and that isnt full you blame tooling? lol
i played both those machines from a relatively good starting point... both werent full from the start but i managed to get loads out

i emptied the vortex and had to top it up with a quid to stop it alarming...
the holey moley gave me a massve streak too, if you look at the picture names i think the holey moley was a £25, thats an ages old photo...

but both are legitamate, and from normal play, and both are machines that more or less any player on here would try for a board.


my point was, i legitamately played both of those machines, and many others, and if you played it next, without checking the balances, YOU would have got stung, VERY VERY badly.

I wouldnt have played it cos they would have been totally on their arse.

If I had, you probably wouldnt have got it again anyway lol.



Im talking about new reds, COBs etc. Keying is pointless and they cant be really read either.

Old reds, very readible and more accurate than any key thanks to refills/notes, yah de yah.


So there you go 'dick head'.
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Re: Hi Lo Silver - Rechip / Battered / Fiddled / Lower %age

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Spyder wrote:i Appologise in advance for when i am informed in a couple of weeks that this machine WAS emptyable. but i will look back and think you are even thicker than i do now due to the mentioning on a public forum.. etc etc

It isnt emptiable.

But you are correct, I shouldnt have mentioned it on a public forum. Its because at the time I thought it was a rechip for the full release, but I have since had this confirmed by an engineer that this is not the case. For this, I apolgoise to everybody on the board.. except you.
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but we are in agreement that if he took £220 out he shouldnt have returned 48 hours later and attempted another hit?


fuck me even if its an empty theres limits...

for EXAMPLE snake rattle and roll, £25 jp, first feature was jp every time

if you took £200 out, you would check the balance the next hit to avoid accidently emptying it..

hi lo silver, 220 out... two days later, reliable info, but risking emptying it completely bacause you're "too pro" for a key???? wtf?

all i want is for slammer to tell me he should have checked the balance or been less confident that he was going to win... i want someone to tell me that what i have said makes sense, then i'll forget about it.




and ps slammer..

theres a big fucking difference between keying a machine and using a screwdriver to leaver up the case on the unit and cram stuff into the mechanics of the payout chute and hopper.. one is a slight advantage+slap on the wrist.. the other is a blatent criminal offence.
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Slammer wrote:Im talking about new reds, COBs etc. Keying is pointless and they cant be really read either.

Old reds, very readible and more accurate than any key thanks to refills/notes, yah de yah.


So there you go.
aha, so we are eventually getting over the size of our penises and making sense...

i agree that the latest offerings of red machines are more or less impossible ot read, from keying or red features or any of the gameplay..

but if you look back over the last hundred posts, somewhere i have actually agreed that hilo is readable, infact somewhere i mentioned the best way of reading it.
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Sorry to butt in here and maybe appear dense, but what is the point of playing ANY machine that only has, say <£30 in it?* You've immediately limited the amount of profit you can make from that machine to exactly what is left in it?

An example would be, say, a Vortex, which when keyed before you started playing had £8 left in it. You then proceeded to try a board and within your first few spins, you obtained a nudge and it was ARB1. Great, we'd all think, we're on for a £70 here! But hang on, there's only £8 left for it to give me? Hmm... You'd 'never' be able to profit from that machine after you had put a single credit over £8 into it.**

*Regardless as to the means by which the other £220+ was removed from said machine?

**Unless you were 100% confident that you'd get a 'payout' via a barmen / engineer.

Am I missing something?!
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Spyder wrote:but we are in agreement that if he took £220 out he shouldnt have returned 48 hours later and attempted another hit?


fuck me even if its an empty theres limits...

for EXAMPLE snake rattle and roll, £25 jp, first feature was jp every time

if you took £200 out, you would check the balance the next hit to avoid accidently emptying it..

hi lo silver, 220 out... two days later, reliable info, but risking emptying it completely bacause you're "too pro" for a key???? wtf?

all i want is for slammer to tell me he should have checked the balance or been less confident that he was going to win... i want someone to tell me that what i have said makes sense, then i'll forget about it.




and ps slammer..

theres a big fucking difference between keying a machine and using a screwdriver to leaver up the case on the unit and cram stuff into the mechanics of the payout chute and hopper.. one is a slight advantage+slap on the wrist.. the other is a blatent criminal offence.


To clear a few things up (again).

I didnt know it only had 40 in it, if I did, I might have still played it cos it could have been tooled, if it goes empty cos its been tooled, it aint my problem.

I cannot believe a high st spoons only took a tenner in 2 days, and im the first to say bedford machines dont take money, hence why I think it was tooled.


If I was going to an emptiable, no rechip avail. machine, I'd leave it AT LEAST a week before revisiting.


I expected to maybe lose 30/40 quid on it and wouldnt have cared (this presumably falls into your "been less confident that he was going to win" category, so presumably u are now happy?



Slap on the wrist / blatent criminial offense? Im sorry, but I dont see why a minor crime is any more acceptable?
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Matt Vinyl wrote:Sorry to butt in here and maybe appear dense, but what is the point of playing ANY machine that only has, say <£30 in it?* You've immediately limited the amount of profit you can make from that machine to exactly what is left in it?

An example would be, say, a Vortex, which when keyed before you started playing had £8 left in it. You then proceeded to try a board and within your first few spins, you obtained a nudge and it was ARB1. Great, we'd all think, we're on for a £70 here! But hang on, there's only £8 left for it to give me? Hmm... You'd 'never' be able to profit from that machine after you had put a single credit over £8 into it.**

*Regardless as to the means by which the other £220+ was removed from said machine?

**Unless you were 100% confident that you'd get a 'payout' via a barmen / engineer.

Am I missing something?!

ARB1 is not what I'd rely on as a sign.


* If it has been removed from tooling, you are leaving a streak for some other cunt / lucky punter This is unacceptable. This means the toolers have just fucked me twice. Why should I allow this to happen?

** I've got well over 95% of my claims, places that dont, get dealt with (Litten Tree for example)







Let me make a statement which will probably result in most of you making a mess of your keyboards :-


If there was NO tooling and NO note changers. A refill key would be VERY VERY valueable (£15 Barcrest days for example, when tooling was so rare, you'd have more of a chance of Jennifer Aniston walking into your local pub, sinking 3 tequillas and ripping her clothes off on the dance floor than meeting a box that had been tooled).

However, with the VERY VERY high amounts of tooling, the 'random' refills (i.e. 125, 150, 250 etc, a refill no longer means 'full') and the note changers etc... keys are useless... EXCEPT... (right, reload, aim fire...)

If you key a 250 machine that has next to fuck all in it, it is more than likely (though not guaranteed) not worth playing.



Having said all this. I dont want to use a key which IS cheating (otherwise they'd be no advantage in using one), cos I think its immoral and should be illegal (it sort of is, grey area, yah de yah).

Also, over the years (fck me, even last couple of weeks Ive had it) I have been accused of the classics "Magic Boxes, Mobile Phones etc and the ever-lasting 'key off the internet'". To whcih I like to be able to tell these fucking idiots to get a clue, in case of management, I'll empty my pockets on the table and will sometimes insist they apologise or call the police. If they refuse, I've been known to call the police myself (they wont come out unless you tell them you are refusing to leave and people are getting heated). When they do arrive, you must leave or will be charged with trespasssing or the classic 'drunkenly disorderly'. The most important thing, is I have proved my innocence and this will all have to be discussed at the next pubwatch and where applicable, licenseing / community meetings. This goes one where or the other. You will either have total immunity in the town, or they wont let you play machines cos you win. This is why I normally also add that 'you didnt complain when i did my bolox in it last week' and such so I look like a rich addict opposed to a constant winner.

I could not do any of these things, if I had actually key'd a machine.
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Nine mentions of tooling in the last two posts, could be more I only skimmed through the text?
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joe3_3 wrote:Nine mentions of tooling in the last two posts, could be more I only skimmed through the text?
FFS. Instead of 'skimming' and counting the words. Try reading it. Then you might understand why the word 'tooling' have been used within the sentences.


Many of you do not appear to realise how big the problem is and more importantly, how it effects legitimate players like us. Not to mention, how it links in with keying (which is what this thread is now about).
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keying has been a grey area for an awful long time now , with opposing stories from both sides of the fence ,,

such as martal n m8's court appearance that resulted in being thrown out , partly thanks to a written testimonial from a friend within the industry , who explained that there was no real financial gain.

to other people suffering fines and more harshly bank account freezes pending investigations .,,,,,, charges differing from going equipped to simply fraud have been handed out.




isn't it about time we had some sort of official clarification .


but from who????
who truly knows???





me personally , i have one tucked in the car , gathering dust 95% of the time

it only ever comes out of retirement to check the float on my remaining unchippd p5

which incidentally takes around 60 pathetic pounds a week , never enough to put the light out so im afraid the use of the key in this case is pretty much essential ,,,,,,

im not whacking 70 in it just to put the light out at the ton mark when there's only 30 in it etc
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Lee, thats where i'm sitting on the other side of the fence to you, i couldn't imagine leaving home without my key, When i got arrested and Mark helped me out (thanks for that), i vowwed if i get off with this charge, i wouldn't carry a key again, and i didn't for several months, as time went by, and with it being thrown out of court just thought fuck it, solicitors always at the end of a phone line so why not..
Have been caught a few times since, luckily not resulting in flashing blue lights and sirens like that night in loughboro.
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Martal~Wombat wrote:Lee, thats where i'm sitting on the other side of the fence to you, i couldn't imagine leaving home without my key, When i got arrested and Mark helped me out (thanks for that), i vowwed if i get off with this charge, i wouldn't carry a key again, and i didn't for several months, as time went by, and with it being thrown out of court just thought fuck it, solicitors always at the end of a phone line so why not..
Have been caught a few times since, luckily not resulting in flashing blue lights and sirens like that night in loughboro.

Hey Martin, hope you'll be at this xmas bash :)


Just for the record, Martin is speaking of another Mark, I am not from the industry :-)


Thats another reason why I dont carry a key though. 8 hours in a cell, just so I could see "x8" would drive me insane and I'd probably end up twatting the copper after getting myself into real trouble.


If I had been through what you went through and all charges dropped, I'd key more than ever howver... "immunity"...
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Slammer wrote: Hey Martin, hope you'll be at this xmas bash :)


Just for the record, Martin is speaking of another Mark, I am not from the industry :-)

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yeah defo be out for the xmas bash, and the Mark i refered to was our mate at M.E just for the record, i went to see him a couple of months back, hes still down there at burnmoor street, sound chap.
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