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in my first post this evening , i stated ,,,,,,, '' anyone who gambles, if he loses, has nobody to blame but himself '' ,,,,,,, and that no rational person could argue with that.


i then get accused of being narrow minded


ok , i'll try to broaden

hmmm

1, erm the flashy lights made me do it

2, erm that horse was a dead cert

3, erm , the bastards in the media made me gamble with promise of a glamorous life with fit birds

4, erm my m8's pulled me in , they were having a bet ,,,,,, and being the sheep i am i gave into peer pressure so its their fault .


no ,,,,,,,,? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ok thats all bollocks ,,,,,,,,,, ive nobody to blame but myself ,,,,,,,,,,,, so i'll live with being narrow minded then lol.


or maybe thats not it ,,,,,, rich goes on to say im narrow minded because of accusing everyone that enters a bookies a saddict .

i never said that.

where rich ??????? where lol ?????????



im not stupid ,,,,,,,, of course many normal people go into the bookies for the odd punt ,,,,,,,, i never suggested otherwise.



all i said was people are moaning about advertisements being regulated ,,,,,,,,, whereas in my opinion its far more important for people to regulate themselves .


advertisements tempt us all one way or another ,,,,,,,,,, thats there job ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, doesn't mean we ***HAVE*** to act on them.
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AMK wrote:Just roll up with 50 bags Lee and stay blind. ;)
lol


our game is a little different , we set in stone an end time, usually 8 hours (no dropping out beforehand unless you've done a bag) ,,,,,,, this gives everyone a chance to get their money back.

and when theres only 2 remaining players left during a hand ,,,,,,,,, you can see your blind opponent .,,,,,,,,,,, this keeps things friendly .


order a chinky half way through etc ,,,,,,,,,, good laugh ,,,,,,,, nice people etc ,,,,,,,,, no bitterness
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oh ffs kesh is online lol ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and im in a debate ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, call me cynical but i wonder which side of the fence he will sit on lol ??????????? ,,,,,,,, you dont need to read any of it kesh to form a real opinion lol ,,,,,, just jump on me :)
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I'm sure Kesh is capable of drawing his own conclusions. For me the debate ended hours ago. I've said my piece, much of which you had no answer to.

If you wish to continue then that is up to you.
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no rich you accused me of saying i was narrow minded because i said all people entering bookies are saddicts .............


but now you have read it again ,,,,,,,,,, you can see i dont say it anywhere or neither imply it . ,,,,,,,,,,,, so its you who has no answer to the narrow minded quip.





the hollier than thou quip ,,,,,,,,,,,, i will accept ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i do like a good preach.
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trayhop123 wrote:my views arn't narrow minded rich ,,,,,,,,,, they just come from the mind of a non-gambler
Yawn. I've already pointed this out to you, but i'll do it again in the hope that you can see where you are struggling.

The laughably contradictory quote above is all the ammo I need.

Even Maverick, someone who rarely posts anything of any merit, and someone who presents himself badly on here concedes that your views are narrow minded.

And as Feeder pointed out, you play cards for money. Which is of course, gambling.

I urge you to think more carefully about what you post before submitting it. As a moderator you should be setting an example, not making rash judgements, and at least be able to see things from different perspectives.
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i dont deny i have the odd gamble ,,,,,,,,, but i dont blame anyone or anything else for my losses

i dont consider pro machine playing as gambling ,,,,,,,,,, as others have said ,,,,,,,,,, overall its always a win win profession .


''my views arn't narrow minded rich ,,,,,,,,,, they just come from the mind of a non-gambler''

what i meant from the above quote was (not that i cant look at things broader) ,,,,,,,,,but that a non gambler hasn't had to endure the anguish stomach churning desperation and despair of the habitual gambler ,,,,,,,,, who cant be in a good state of mental health and physical well being , and routinely try's to justify his habit by blaming everything and everyone else other than looking at themselves .


take harry for example (who incidentally is a great down to earth bloke) ,,,,,,,, he would be first to testify as to the way the afliction has cost him thousands upon thousands of pounds over the years . ,,,,,,,,, he's up front about it , ,,,,, more power to him .


but a year or two back i presented the ''nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you gamble'' argument to him (im sure lugs could pull up the thread)

he replied '' your right , but now the stakes are bigger , and you dont have to wait 24 hrs to get into a casino'' ,,,,,, or similar words to that effect.


the point is ,,,,,,,, that was a gamblers reply


anyone else's reply from a non gambling background ,,,,,,, would have said '' yeah your right , its all about willpower'' and thats that. ,,,,,,,,, not try to justify it as being somebody else's fault partly to blame etc. ,,,,,,,, only on a gambling forum would you get this irrational reply .



we are all tarnished by our life experiences , some things were not concious of are installed into our phyche and mannerism's from our parents etc, others we develop from the passage of time. ,,,,, nobody's perfect. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there has to be a multitude of origins and factors that go towards the ingredients of developing the hardened gambler phyche . ,,,,,,,,,,

and i suspect rich that you make seek a little comfort in laying blame towards other factors when faced with the gun to head scenario too.

i have no rational thought when it comes to superman ,, im at the centre of that equation so i cant see it .

your all probably right that a 40 year old shouldn't be buying kids toys. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but i'll never accept that lol

its not a narrow minded judgement m8 ,,,,,,,,, i can see all the angles .


i did like mav's quote of ,,,,,,,,, we all have a little gambler in us but pro players learn to supress it and focus professionally .





hmmm fruitchat eh ? ,,,,,,, never a dull moment
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trayhop123 wrote:
and i suspect rich that you make seek a little comfort in laying blame towards other factors when faced with the gun to head scenario too.
Well you suspicions are wrong. I would never blame anyone or any outside influences such as advertising for any gambling losses. I don't watch betting adverts and think 'I must open an account straight away', online gambling doesn't interest me at all, but the portrayal of gambling in such adverts crosses the line as to what is an acceptable and responsible way of trying to sell a product. That is not only my opinion, but a view shared by many people I know, many of whom don't partake in gambling in any way shape or form.

I agree that Mavericks quote is a good one, it is also well worded, and hints that no human being is infallable, and is capable of occasionally succumbing to the perils of out and out gambling. I very much doubt there is a single player who at some point hasn't had a bet of some sort.
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trayhop123 wrote:

anyone else's reply from a non gambling background ,,,,,,, would have said '' yeah your right , its all about willpower'' and thats that. ,,,,,,,,, not try to justify it as being somebody else's fault partly to blame etc. ,,,,,,,, only on a gambling forum would you get this irrational reply .
I had to pull this up, don't be fooled into thinking that all non gamblers have the same mindset when it comes to people who do gamble, because I can promise you that your opinion here is wrong. Some are able to empathise and some aren't. You would appear to fall into the latter category, not that this makes your opinion any less valid, it just means that you speak as you see it from your perspective.
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trayhop123 wrote:i dont deny i have the odd gamble
And last but not least this gem of a quote. You don't deny having the odd gamble, but only now that it has been pointed out by others that you DO gamble. If I was to dig up all the posts of yours where you state that you never gamble (or words to that effect) i'd miss the majority of this lovely, sunny day.

Anyway, it's been great. I must admit I relish having a good argument. I wonder what the next one will be about?

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ever thought about being a barrister?
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Ha! Should have thought of that 15 years ago...
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Mr McStreak wrote:I had to pull this up, don't be fooled into thinking that all non gamblers have the same mindset when it comes to people who do gamble, because I can promise you that your opinion here is wrong. Some are able to empathise and some aren't. You would appear to fall into the latter category, not that this makes your opinion any less valid, it just means that you speak as you see it from your perspective.


ok rich ,,,,,,,, give me an example of a rational argument that could convey blaming anyone other than the player . ''somebody elses opinion if you like '' ,,,,,,,,and how this can possibly be justified .

i just cant see it myself .


nothing whatsoever to do with empathy (we all have people in crisis we feel deaply sorry for , please dont make me out to be harsh and un-sympathetic , thats not the case)



and ''You don't deny having the odd gamble, but only now that it has been pointed out by others that you DO gamble. If I was to dig up all the posts of yours where you state that you never gamble (or words to that effect) i'd miss the majority of this lovely, sunny day.''


come on rich ,,,,,,, thats bollocks and you know it ,,,,,,,,,,,, my card schools (my occasional gamble )have been well publicised on here for years ,,,,,,,,,,,, so you know ive never denied the odd gamble ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ive invited you to em lol ,,,,,,, so you cant say you havent read em or missed the posts completely lol


and theres been occasions ''lads days out etc '' ,,,,,,where ive stated ive had a few quid in 500's etc


cmon now , its getting petty.





i would like to hear others thoughts and arguments against the '' nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to gamble argument''


i can try to be open minded ,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe i will learn something .
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Good read boys. Don't mean to stir but I have to say I think McStreak is right on this subject. Advertisements for gambling should be banned in the same way they were for tobacco in my opinion. Also I'm the rarity out us that is even less of a gambler than you are Lee, I've never put a bet on anything, and I had never even played a fruit machine before I saw what I thought was physical evidence that it was possible to make money regularly from them. So that blows out your theory of all non gamblers thinking the same way as you.

I also like to act a bit holier than thou sometimes when it comes to gambling, it actually offends me sometimes watching people gamble away their money, especially if they are doing it badly. But there is such a wide and varying range of people who gamble in different degrees and in different forms that I don't like to stereotype all gamblers as mugs. Like McStreak said addiction is an addiction in any form, you should try to pity other problematic gamblers in the same way you did with Bik, not mock them or think you are somehow smarter than them because you do not have the same problem. The reason this is annoying me is because I am relating this to my smoking addiction, and I'm incredibly worried you would say, as a non smoker yourself, smoking ads were fine and they weren't to blame for people dying, it was the smokers choice to continue smoking until they developed lung cancer. Before you do say that let me explain a few things to you. Addictions are very difficult to break away from, most people with dangerous addictions don't break them until they become life threatening. Think about the purpose of most gambling or smoking related adverts. What do you think would be their main aim? It would obviously be to encourage NEW customers to their product. The old ones will usually keep coming back as the product being sold is highly addictive. Once they've got you they don't really need to promote their product to you continuously as you will probably keep using it anyway. So they are continuously trying to draw in new customers for there highly addictive product. Why would someone want to start using a highly addictive product though? They wouldn't if they weren't either ignorant to or in denial of the products dangers, which is why most addictions start at young ages when we are still young enough to be naive to them. All it takes is some bad choices at a vunerable time in your life to become addicted to something. People who get addicted to things do not neccesarily have a lower willpower, more like a different mentality or different circumstances in their lives.

That Ladyluck ad makes me want to throw something at the T.V. for several reasons, I think it's targeted at attracting women to the easy phone format of gambling, women won't go into betting shops or websites but they are always on their phones and maybe if the gambling is brought to them they will have a go. I say this because the advert shows women using the games a lot. I think I read somewhere that women are more susceptable to gambling addictions for some reason or other. The way McStreak described already that the ad tries to give the impression that gambling will make you more attractive to women is also clearly aimed at YOUNG men. I think it's disgusting that the gambling industry targets young people in the same way the tobacco industry does. The fact they still get away with it in today's society is laughable.

So now you see that these adverts are designed to psychologically manipulate young, naive and innocent people into becoming addicted to dangerous products for corporate greed, it's obvious that a dislike for them is not just a "gamblers response", it is the response that every person should have to them. They are simply pure evil.
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nice post darky .


''Addictions are very difficult to break away from, most people with dangerous addictions don't break them until they become life threatening.''


i agree ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but the flip side to the wealth of advertising , and lureing in these young naive minds (as you put it) ,,,,,,,,,,is the wealth of warnings in the media of the dangers of smoking gambling , taking drugs etc .


the first time you gamble , take drugs , drink etc ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, people know its harmful yet make a concious decision to do it anyway.



''Like McStreak said addiction is an addiction in any form, you should try to pity other problematic gamblers in the same way you did with Bik, not mock them or think you are somehow smarter than them because you do not have the same problem.''


i dont mock them m8 , i simply expect people to be responsible for their own choices. ,,,,,,,,,,, not lay the blame on on the media .


were human beings not sheep ,,,,,,,,,,, we dont have to follow ,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, if we dont heed the warnings , and get ourselves in trouble , we only have ourselves to blame surely . ???
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