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Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:58 pm

Thats classic

Only in America

GaryChandler · Post by **GaryChandler** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:00 am

cause this countrys a fucking joke

steveseagull · Post by **steveseagull** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:33 am

I'd forgotten all about the Onion. well Reminded

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:38 am

"I'm not a racist but..."
Er, yes, actually you are.

skin colour is a mere pigment variation.
When cultural difference between different coloured groups is treated and more significant than between different same colour groups, that is racist.
merely commenting onor discussing cultural difference is not. Being affraid to do the latter, for fear of being seen as the former is counter productive and (though I HATE the phrase) is "political correctness gone mad."

I would love to live in a colour blind and most importantly secular global society. Probably won't happen in mine, or even my kids life times, but it'll happen one day.

Bring on the New World Order I say (fire in the hole. I can hear Mike's keyboard starting to rattle)

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:50 am

i dont know her, she doesnt know me...i dont care.

That is why I don't take on board any celebrity news at all. If it doesn't affect someone I know / love / care for, then they have my sympathy, but that's where it ends - I'm too busy with the people that mean something to me...

Racism: Hmm, We're all humans on this world together - let's just get on with it. However, I do get a bit annoyed at how constantly (specifically in this country) minorities seem to get the rub of the green 99%+ of the time.

A different tact, but... ...we get an e-mail that comes around at least twice a year where I work, from the 'Gay & Lesbian Advisory Service' that announces a 'Gay & Lesbian Disco'. I'd hazard a guess that if someone were to send around a global e-mail (about 1800+ people work at my establishment) saying 'Heterosexual Disco' there'd be uproarious (heh) response!!!

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:57 am

but no one's being discriminated against for being a straight, white, nothern European man.
gay rights and black pride is NOT the same as excluding homosexuals and repatriating third generation ethic minorities and it's pretty naive to suggest any similarity.

before we can live in an equal society, people need to be able to publicly take pride in their own diversity. That means people previously traeted by society as less have to be encouraged to celebrate those things that set them apart.

harry2 · Post by **harry2** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:18 am

Pete. I hear what you are saying but as a white , heterosexual, christian and IF I was a policeman I wouldn't be allowed to join either the National Black Police Association or The Muslim Police Association. Society needs to be inclusive, not exclusive. When we have people here advocating stoning adulterers to death , the killing of gays and subjugating of women then that is a step too far.

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:18 am

True, but let's face it, it does go a little too far sometimes. By making special exceptions for minorities, you are reminding them that's exactly what they are... Equal treatment for ALL, else it'll never cease to be an issue...

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:25 am

I've never met a member of an ethnic minority or alternative sexual persuasion express a desire for "positive dicsrimination."

What they want is a level playing field where the best man or woman gets the job / house / benefit / etc depending on individual merits and not because of belonging to any statistical group

Matt Vinyl · Post by **Matt Vinyl** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:41 am

Just to clarify, my 'True...' post was in response to PokerPete's previous post, not Harrys. Although, that's a very good point too...

Istenem · Post by **Istenem** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:04 pm

is it racist to enjoy lenny henry's current nickname of "the dudley moor"?

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:38 pm

yes, very

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:44 pm

harry2 wrote:Pete. I hear what you are saying but as a white , heterosexual, christian and IF I was a policeman I wouldn't be allowed to join either the National Black Police Association or The Muslim Police Association. Society needs to be inclusive, not exclusive. When we have people here advocating stoning adulterers to death , the killing of gays and subjugating of women then that is a step too far.

because those groups are there to address the problem that, while recruitment of black and ethnic officers (B&E officers is the term used) is improving, the promotion rates are disproportionately low and the leaving rate is disproportionately high. These wellfare groups are there to redress the balance, NOT to infringe on white officers rights.

religious extremism shouldn't be tolerated, but as you can probably tell from my desire for a secular world, I consider ALL religion to be holding us back from true development as a species.

steveseagull · Post by **steveseagull** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:18 pm

Just to murk the waters, i received this today:

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ma71lda · Post by **ma71lda** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:29 pm

BRAVO TO THE BBC.

I think the BBC have done exactly what they set out to do - cause a bit of controversy and I think they've been clever in doing so. They've shown how narrow minded some of the British public can be and at the same time they have made their flagging flagship show the focal talking point of the nation, giving them considerable publicity. No doubt every forum in the country which has a general section has a thread very similar to this one.

Personally I couldn't care less about the colour of someones skin, their sexuality, religious beliefs etc - its nothing to do with me, I have more important things to worry about. There are racists/bigots who frequent this site, they know who they are, but thats there prerogative, isn't it? The only people who I am prejudice against are people who knock on your door asking for money, charity collectors - can't fookin stand 'em. Why don't they understand that I will never give my bank details to a complete stranger?

Talking about charity collectors.....I had one around here the other night asking for donations for the local sperm bank, I gave her a right mouthful, I tell ya!!!!