FOBT roulette is rigged (again)

[gaztarra]

just try the bet!!!
zero not ever cpming,proves none random,and strange event!
bc in a few days!

[Spyder]

so you tell us to bet 5 spins of a certain bet and it wont spin zero... thats fucking pointless.. which numbers WILL it spin in? lol

POINTLESS

[Spyder]

some proof am the real deal.....go to any coral or will hill,,,,,,,,,,put ten pound in"only ten"bet one pound on 19 to 36,& one pound on coloumn c...hit spin!!!!!!!!!!!!!i prompise you that zero will never ever ever ever ever come in.....you can repeat this on thousands of machines ,zero will never come in.............
you will either win 3 pound"coloumn c hit"or draw even"19 to 24 hit"or loose 1 to 12 hit
ATLEAST 70% of the time u will win or draw even..........
do the maths!its in your favour..
thats just the tip of the ice berge!

why only ten pounds? are you trying to limit our losses, (loosess) or does the bank supposedly have something to do with the outcome

so for a £2 bet, you either lose, draw even, or win £1 profit???

is this the amazing info you claim fame for?

i mean, come on??? its pathetic...

zero never coming in, even if this is true, all it does is remove the house edge.. you might think this is great.. but you will need a very long string of "good luck" to make it worth doing.. fine, so on a good fast running machine you can get a couple of spins a minute.. but playing these things its impossible to not draw attention to yourself..


one other thing, you claim this works in all bookies in all machines? theres about 6 different types of FOBT, all the roulette games are different? different programmers... seems a bit odd that you found a universal "trick"

the human brain strives to make any numerical equation make sense, it will find patterns, no matter how vague, and try to make them make sense.. the long term effect of roulette and any gambling involving numbers is that you will remember certain numbers either coming in or not coming in, whichever it is, the brain mistakenly sees this as a base pattern...

it is common for people to say that FOBT is fixed (clue is in the name) although the term "fixed odds beting terminal" refers to the fact that the games are not on a variable percentage payout, like progressive play on AWP fruit machines, they "reflex" to the amount of money paid in, and accumilate for a win or series of wins to pay back the return-to-player value...

FOBT will "randomly" pay back to a fixed percentage over time, and in time, the simple house edge should mean the house wins, plus pretty much every roulette player bets over their own head.g

to simplify your strategy, all you need is a single die, numbers 1 2 and 3 lose, 4 draws even, 5 & 6 payback 150% of the bet.. roll the dice ten times..

statisticly the odds are 50-50 to not lose,

i dare you, infact, i DOUBLE dare you to do this FOBT system with 2x £50 bets.. and video that... you will not be so confident about the house edge then

afterall, anyone who gambles a lot will be willing to try your 70% payout method with £2 bets, but as with ANY form of non-controlled payback gambling, THE LONGER YOU GAMBLE THE HIGHER CHANCE OF LOSING

to the companies who make these machines, you are their target customer... you think you have a chance.. which is unlucky for you..

you state you could try that betting sequence with "thousands of machines" if you did this, im pretty sure you would have thrown away £10xthousands.


The best case senerio of your system is that you have stumbled across a low stakes bet that can for some reason avoid part of the 1st 18 numbers, this wouldnt be too difficult to believe, as even a 3 number drift pushes your odds of not losing to a pretty good advantage.. if zero NEVER comes in, then fair enough, ive always believed there would be triggers like this involved in the program, to avoid patterns appearing however, you will find that if this is the case, it is heavily controlled by other similar subroutines in the program, and although its a pretty far-out concept, id assume the programmer would make this so that higher stakes bets had different triggers..

you will either win 3 pounds from "3rd/12 hit" or draw even "19 to 24 hit" or lose "1 to 12 hit"

AT LEAST 70% of the time you will win or draw even..........
do the maths! its in your favour..

not really a valid point, as mathematicly you will WIN 1/3 of the time, LOSE 1/3 of the time and DRAW 1/3 of the time..

[maverick69]

ive got a lucky 8 on 180 pot that i might do tomoz.....well try for a bit. i will try ur theory out and see if it works. the worst that can happen is i waste 20 quid and some time

[pokerpete]

At the same time a a previously banned 'lively poster' returns.
Coincidence?
Maybe

[Master of The Game]

Definitely.

[justcurious]

Dear friends..

In these FOBTs, there is a fixed payout percentage (or sometimes called theoretical %RPT settings in these machines. That means any point of time, machine decides how much to payback and how much to retain and random numbers is just a layer to produce output for audit purpose. Payout is up to the machine and operator to decide while we all are running after how random is random numbers and auditors satisfy the regulators by showing the non skewed numbers over a long period.

The TRUTH IS that, a fixed payout can never be achieved without manipulating the result. FOBTs work same as slot machines and results can be manipulated to adjust payout and this happens with the knowledge of the regulatory bodies. Once outcome is allowed to adjust, it means the machine knows the bets a player has placed and outcome can be based on the bets placed and not random. How amazing!! Any possibility for class action suit?

The proof that %RPT is fixed and can be adjusted and hence the results can be manipulated is seen from these below. I am not just giving my personal opinion but with proof from documents, discussion with regulatory authorities as well as manufacturers.

1. Starting a new online RNG casino - (http://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1598.0) . This was already given by one of the forum member before.

2. Declarative Statement on FOBT from Ballytech (http://www.ballytech.com/) who is one of the the manufacturers of FOBT machine can be downloaded here. (http://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j ... xQ&cad=rja) - especially everything that says about RNG and payout.

3. I also had a personal chat with one of the technical staff from a manufacturer who confirmed that there are 5 default payout percentages and it can be adjusted easily.

4. I live in Singapore and 2 casinos have opened here in the past 3 years. These FOBT machines are under the category of electronic games and the regulatory body in Singapore (CRA) has published the standards. Version 1.2 can be downloaded from the below link - (http://app.cra.gov.sg/public/www/content.aspx?sid=116)
Please download the PDF file to understand clearly on payout percentage and random number generation as well as possible manipulation of outcome. This standards document is from Casino Regulatory Authority in Singapore and can be trusted 100% to understand how these machines work. Please read sections payout and random number generators. I also had several discussions with the regulatory authorities in Singapore in the past 2 months on these unfair machines and it is still ongoing.

If anyone like to have further information contact me personally.

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

take your story to the press, worth 20-30k if you have the evidence

if you worked in the industry and had access to the infomation to prove anything was not as it seems, would be easy money.

the reason why nothing like this happens is because there is nothing bent about them.

[AMK]

Keep on topic please Rob and stop talking about 'Keybets' on high pots.