Well rigged!
Just lost £250 in Betfred 10 *£25 bets of 16 numbers and not one signle win. I love the way when you decrease your bets on a single number from £5 to a £1 it nearly always comes in.
They are the biggest con going and are 100% compensated - did someone mention the tories would rip up the gambling law and this could impact the bookies roulette?
FOBT roulette is rigged (again)
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to griff50 ,,,,,,,,,,, if you dont think there rigged m8 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, please explain how
for example in ten spins you often see 14,14, 32,14,21,6,37,14,9,14.
five of the same number in very few spins ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and its a very regular occurrence/story , posted by many regulars on here .
yet in real life , in a propper casino ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you would probably never see it ,,,,,,,, .
in fact come to my house with a regular wheel ,,,,,,,,,,,,, and i'll quite happily give you 1000 to 1 odds on any amount you wish to stake ,,,,,,,,, that you wont ever get 5same out of ten spins .
not rigged ????????? with all due respect m8 ,,,,,,,, your a pineapple :P no offence :P
for example in ten spins you often see 14,14, 32,14,21,6,37,14,9,14.
five of the same number in very few spins ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and its a very regular occurrence/story , posted by many regulars on here .
yet in real life , in a propper casino ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you would probably never see it ,,,,,,,, .
in fact come to my house with a regular wheel ,,,,,,,,,,,,, and i'll quite happily give you 1000 to 1 odds on any amount you wish to stake ,,,,,,,,, that you wont ever get 5same out of ten spins .
not rigged ????????? with all due respect m8 ,,,,,,,, your a pineapple :P no offence :P
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to trayhop,
Mate, when you see 14 5 times in 10 displayed numbers, its actually 14 5 times out of about 10 times 10 numbers, as I have already said the sequence is just an exert from the actual run of numbers. It is just when you hit the spin that the number is chosen, as I've said.
Go to Gala casino in leicester. Sit and use one of their cards and track the numbers. You will see that after about 100 numbers there are some which are repeating more than others. Although the random number generator is not the same as natural randomness, it is fairly close, otherswise some people would always win. Everyone has their own numbers and so therefore if it's rigged, and it has give the same number all over the country at the same time, it follows that there must be some 'good' numbers which win more than others.
The reason why lots of people lose at fobt is that they are trying to force a number to come in by playing on constantly. They are also addictive! No number has to come in at any particular time. I sat in gala casino chasing 30 one night £450 later. Still not out. Have also sat on Fobt and had same experience. But find fobt better in all for number chasing, as long as not greedy and not putting on £20 bets first spin.
As for being a pineapple, I have an degree in psychology and am shortly undertaking a masters, so I don't believe that I am naive or stupid, whatever your definition of a pineapple is, lol.
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Mate, when you see 14 5 times in 10 displayed numbers, its actually 14 5 times out of about 10 times 10 numbers, as I have already said the sequence is just an exert from the actual run of numbers. It is just when you hit the spin that the number is chosen, as I've said.
Go to Gala casino in leicester. Sit and use one of their cards and track the numbers. You will see that after about 100 numbers there are some which are repeating more than others. Although the random number generator is not the same as natural randomness, it is fairly close, otherswise some people would always win. Everyone has their own numbers and so therefore if it's rigged, and it has give the same number all over the country at the same time, it follows that there must be some 'good' numbers which win more than others.
The reason why lots of people lose at fobt is that they are trying to force a number to come in by playing on constantly. They are also addictive! No number has to come in at any particular time. I sat in gala casino chasing 30 one night £450 later. Still not out. Have also sat on Fobt and had same experience. But find fobt better in all for number chasing, as long as not greedy and not putting on £20 bets first spin.
As for being a pineapple, I have an degree in psychology and am shortly undertaking a masters, so I don't believe that I am naive or stupid, whatever your definition of a pineapple is, lol.
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is that the odds before, during or after the sequence?
because, the odds on the next number being x is 36 to 1
the odds on the next 5 numbers being 36 is whatever you said
and once the sequence has been spun, the odds are 100%
overall, over every time ive ever played roulette.. im up... veeeery fluke i know, but true...
because, the odds on the next number being x is 36 to 1
the odds on the next 5 numbers being 36 is whatever you said
and once the sequence has been spun, the odds are 100%
overall, over every time ive ever played roulette.. im up... veeeery fluke i know, but true...
JG edit: Spyder was responding to about 4 posts of babble that I did and have now deleted. I came up with some Heath Robinson maths and Blackmogu has posted something a bit more solid, further on in the thread.
I'll put it succinctly, as I know I babbled on a bit back there.
***If I generate ten random numbers from 0-36 inclusive, there will be approximately a 7400-1 chance of there being five or more of the same number in that sequence***
"Is that the odds before, during or after the sequence?"
Yes it's the odds before I generate the sequence.
During the generation of the sequence, the odds will vary depending on what numbers have been drawn.
After the sequence the result is there, so there are no odds, you either have 5+ numbers the same or you don't.
I know one other person who has played roulette to a considerable degree and is also up, so it's OBviously possible, but the longer you play.......well you know the script.
Alas, I am down on my few forays into the world of roulette, but thankfully not horrendously down, as I hardly ever play roulette.
I'll put it succinctly, as I know I babbled on a bit back there.
***If I generate ten random numbers from 0-36 inclusive, there will be approximately a 7400-1 chance of there being five or more of the same number in that sequence***
"Is that the odds before, during or after the sequence?"
Yes it's the odds before I generate the sequence.
During the generation of the sequence, the odds will vary depending on what numbers have been drawn.
After the sequence the result is there, so there are no odds, you either have 5+ numbers the same or you don't.
I know one other person who has played roulette to a considerable degree and is also up, so it's OBviously possible, but the longer you play.......well you know the script.
Alas, I am down on my few forays into the world of roulette, but thankfully not horrendously down, as I hardly ever play roulette.
JG
You need to sum the probabilities of all ten matching down to all five matching, which would be :-JG wrote:I'll put it succinctly, as I know I babbled on a bit back there.
***If I generate ten random numbers from 0-36 inclusive, there will be approximately a 7000-1 chance of there being five or more of the same number in that sequence***
"Is that the odds before, during or after the sequence?"
Yes it's the odds before I generate the sequence.
During the generation of the sequence, the odds will vary depending on what numbers have been drawn.
After the sequence the result is there, so there are no odds, you either have 5+ numbers the same or you don't.
I know one other person who has played roulette to a considerable degree and is also up, so it's OBviously possible, but the longer you play.......well you know the script.
Alas, I am down on my few forays into the world of roulette, but thankfully not horrendously down, as I hardly ever play roulette.
10 Matching (1/37)^9 +
9 Matching (10C9)(1/37)^8 (36/37) +
8 Matching (10C
(1/37)^7 (36/37)^2 +7 Matching (10C7)(1/37)^6 (36/37)^3 +
6 Matching (10C6)(1/37)^5 (36/37)^4 +
5 Matching (10C5)(1/37)^4 (36/37)^5
Which comes out to approx 1.2x10^-4, or odds of 1 in 10,000 approximately.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
someone ought to print the maths out and stick a copy to the screen on every roulette they see... lol
i had 17 come out loads of times within the viewable history once it was summat like this
11 0 17 17 17 32 17 25 17 9 17 9 14 32
first few spins i was spinning about £6 a spin over about 10 numbers
i won on every spin.. apart from the 14 and the 11 (the last number)
once the 17 came in more than twice, i started betting heavilly on and around it, and also on zero (as it really pisses me off when it spins to that when you bet on numbers(as opposed to sections))
by the last 17 coming in i had £13 on it, and just over £10 on zero
from putting £60 in, i came off with over £1000, the last two winning spins profiting around £410 and £300 plus a build up from the previous 10 spins...
i lost £100 on the last spin... as i covered every number >25 with a random sweep of £5 chips.
FOBT's do pay out... but it is random enough for you to lose on. so it is a complete gamble, nothing can give you an advantage, apart from knowing what the bets mean and which ways to bet... theres even one bookies that dont give the full odds on a 1/2 number bet, so you win more if you put £1 on each number oposed to £2 split.. which is a bit sneaky... other than knowing this, there are no advantages, which will OBviously piss off the number-crunching ones of you who play fruits for a living....
i had 17 come out loads of times within the viewable history once it was summat like this
11 0 17 17 17 32 17 25 17 9 17 9 14 32
first few spins i was spinning about £6 a spin over about 10 numbers
i won on every spin.. apart from the 14 and the 11 (the last number)
once the 17 came in more than twice, i started betting heavilly on and around it, and also on zero (as it really pisses me off when it spins to that when you bet on numbers(as opposed to sections))
by the last 17 coming in i had £13 on it, and just over £10 on zero
from putting £60 in, i came off with over £1000, the last two winning spins profiting around £410 and £300 plus a build up from the previous 10 spins...
i lost £100 on the last spin... as i covered every number >25 with a random sweep of £5 chips.
FOBT's do pay out... but it is random enough for you to lose on. so it is a complete gamble, nothing can give you an advantage, apart from knowing what the bets mean and which ways to bet... theres even one bookies that dont give the full odds on a 1/2 number bet, so you win more if you put £1 on each number oposed to £2 split.. which is a bit sneaky... other than knowing this, there are no advantages, which will OBviously piss off the number-crunching ones of you who play fruits for a living....
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griff m8 , i have read your post thoroughly , and understand exactly what your saying , but your "over so many spins" argument is just rubbish ,,,,,,,,,
ask any full time real roulette sadict player , who has watched hundreds of thousands of spins ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he's still never ever seen a string of 10-12 spins with 5+ of the same number
ask any full time real roulette sadict player , who has watched hundreds of thousands of spins ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he's still never ever seen a string of 10-12 spins with 5+ of the same number
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I have to contradict your assertion there. I saw 17 come up 5 times in 7 spins whist eating a steak in Grosvenor Bristol, approximately 10 years ago.trayhop123 wrote:griff m8 , i have read your post thoroughly , and understand exactly what your saying , but your "over so many spins" argument is just rubbish ,,,,,,,,,
ask any full time real roulette sadict player , who has watched hundreds of thousands of spins ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he's still never ever seen a string of 10-12 spins with 5+ of the same number
It was particularly galling, since it was one of my numbers, and I was on that table before my meal was ready.
About a year earlier the same thing happened with a different number at Stakis in Bristol.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Dont play heavily but i was in gala a few evenings ago, i was playing on there roullette machines but where you can bet on a live wheel, when i bet i usually cover half of the wheel one side or the other so 14 and either side or 17 or either side, i started betting on the 14 side and the result of 5 spins on the row were 28 28 28 7 28, obviously all winners for me so i was happy but does go to show how something like that as rare as it can be can actually happen
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ok blackmogu ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lets say i believe you ,,,,,,,,,,,,, twice in ten years
fobt ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,at least twice a day (someone on em all day)
now someone try to tell me there not rigged
ps my odds offer is open to anyone ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyone that is stupid enough
pps you blooming got what you blooming wished for george :P
fobt ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,at least twice a day (someone on em all day)
now someone try to tell me there not rigged
ps my odds offer is open to anyone ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyone that is stupid enough
pps you blooming got what you blooming wished for george :P
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griff m8 the pineapple quip was just a friendly insult lol nothing more ,,,,,,,,,,, but i find one of the last lines of your post amusing too
'' But find fobt better in all for number chasing, as long as not greedy and not putting on £20 bets first spin.''
that's the point isn't it
put 20p on 15 numbers for example ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you'll still lose overall granted , but you'll get a fair amount of hits ,,,,,,,, at least 1 in 5 spins ,,,,,,,,,, with some strings of 3 to 4 hits on the trot etc
put maximum on 15 numbers ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, chances are you'll have strings of 18+spins without a hit. ,,,,,,,,,,,, and never hit strings of 3 to 4 on the trot
why does this happen all tooooo OFTEN for so many people
not rigged ,,,,,,,,,,,, bollocks
'' But find fobt better in all for number chasing, as long as not greedy and not putting on £20 bets first spin.''
that's the point isn't it
put 20p on 15 numbers for example ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you'll still lose overall granted , but you'll get a fair amount of hits ,,,,,,,, at least 1 in 5 spins ,,,,,,,,,, with some strings of 3 to 4 hits on the trot etc
put maximum on 15 numbers ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, chances are you'll have strings of 18+spins without a hit. ,,,,,,,,,,,, and never hit strings of 3 to 4 on the trot
why does this happen all tooooo OFTEN for so many people
not rigged ,,,,,,,,,,,, bollocks
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I was playing £8 on no 13 the other week in Hills. Lost about £150 but could not believe the amount of times it gave me 27 and 36 which are either side of 13...was this to intelligently trick me into thinking that it was a 'near miss' and my number was sure to follow soon.
This happens far too often for my liking and have to agree these are rigged to the hilt! On the machine next to me some guy hit number 9, 4 times in a row....says it all really.
This happens far too often for my liking and have to agree these are rigged to the hilt! On the machine next to me some guy hit number 9, 4 times in a row....says it all really.