Paragon Scam - Help Needed

cool · Post by **cool** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:11 pm

It may be a case of suspicion when the guy is doing nothing wrong.There has been a game on the machine advertising a £50 Jackpot.If somebody attains it you are intimating by extension that they couldnt have won it legitimately as the guy who was nabbed only took out £43.The float cannot remain at a constant £150 as people put in shrapnel as well as notes.
Crooks take everything they can get their hands on and not revisit the same machine that often.

cool · Post by **cool** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:16 pm

I was booted out of a pub for playing a machine in a suspicious manner.
The fact that I know far more answers to the questions on the game and that I speed read and therefore when in full flow I play the machine quickly meant I must be cheating.
Unfortunately some people believe that if they are not able to do something anybody that can must be dishonest.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:20 pm

Same goes for fruit machines mate, i'm sure we've all dumbed it down before to try and remain under the radar.

Been-Grant-Mitchell'd! · Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:59 pm

Too true mate.

The most often mistake made is to think the machine is intelligent, whereas it can only be as clever as the guy who programmed it. Well I think so anyway.

As for "Speed of play" suspicion, I've had this and have been successful in getting their understanding by asking them to think of it as when you were a kid learning joined-up writing: slow at first but faster as you get used to it.

Does this make sense?

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:09 pm

how much are you allowed to lose in one before the supplier is arrested and accused of fraud on a public forum .......

....and then buggered roughly against their will whilst incarcerated?

well played bubba!

cp999 · Post by **cp999** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:25 pm

Ricster wrote:The engineer said the Paragon will always hold £150 in the hopper but this one was only holding £107.

On Friday the officer dealing with the incident siezed £43 in pound coins from this lad. Coincidence? I dont think so.

Also the engineer explained that when the machines get emptied the SWP machine takings had been well down for the last month. The male who has been arrested for fraud had been noticed playing these machines in the past.

The guy might have been defrauding it, but there are many assumptions being made.

On the basis of the current "evidence" I would be arrested in a lot of places. And I would be likely to have a lot more than £43 on me

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:39 pm

the 'engineer' from the comically named "treasure Ireland games" said that the paragon will ALWAYS hold a ton fifty to be sure, to be sure.....

i find it hard to comprehend that a trained engineer could spout twaddle like that.

FREE the PARAGON one!!!

dmac · Post by **dmac** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:29 am

cool · Post by **cool** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:49 am

It does seem strange,but I am amazed at what people have got money out of that I have written off as a dud.
It would be interesting how old the guy was who was apprehended.The younger they are (sweeping generalisation) the more likely they are up to something as it would be highly unlikely that an 18yr old would have the playing experience or knowledge to get £43 from (a) a shitty line up (b) question based games.With the non question based games it may be possible.Occasionally you get a prodigy on Countdown that would do well on Word Up in the same way that you get teenage chess grandmasters.

QuizMaster · Post by **QuizMaster** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:56 am

dmac wrote: If the menu had been updated recently then it's a different story, of course.

Indeed it is.

gmckee03 · Post by **gmckee03** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:10 pm

I know the paragon and i think i know the player he wasnt tooling it of any sort it was just plugging it as it tends freeze alot

cp999 · Post by **cp999** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:24 pm

It would be interesting to know if the guy had any sort of "device" on him when he was presumably searched and then arrested. If he did, then fair enough, but if he didn't, pretty questionable imo to arrest him.

cp999 · Post by **cp999** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:27 pm

gmckee03 wrote:I know the paragon and i think i know the player he wasnt tooling it of any sort it was just plugging on the game as im sure last time i was there it was unchipped!!!

Ok, right, I know what you mean. In that case I hope he makes a formal complaint of harassment (not that it's likely to accomplish anything).

Ricster · Post by **Ricster** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:36 pm

To keep you updated they guy is 32 years old, and police went round to charge him this morning. He has admitted to defrauding the machine but will not tell officers how he did it.

Police have also revealed they have had "intelligence" on this guy for about 18 months with similar incidents with paragon's and also a bank machine. Each time before there wasn't enough eveidence to charge him.

This time, because of 35mins of CCTV footage the guy has been banged to rights.

If you saw the CCTV you'd see for yourself that there was definately a scam going on. By switching the machine off and then back on, and doing something with the screen before the loading bars came up he was able to gain free credits. He then played the machine and won money using those free credits.

How he got the free credits is still a mystery.

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:41 pm

cp999 wrote:
gmckee03 wrote:I know the paragon and i think i know the player he wasnt tooling it of any sort it was just plugging on the game as im sure last time i was there it was unchipped!!!
Ok, right, I know what you mean. In that case I hope he makes a formal complaint of harassment (not that it's likely to accomplish anything).

Really??? If he was plugging it, he deserves everything he gets...