It was an example to help the most simple minded people (you) to understand and make it easier for me to phrase. It does NOTHING!! apart from tell you to beat on the one third that hasnt come up for longest (eg, lower/middle/upper third) ANYONE could work that out without a stupid machine. I can't believe anyone would pay for this, but the sad thing is I bet some already have...psyman wrote:theoak wrote:Haha, just downloaded this and gave it a try, basically it only tellls you where to bet if x amount of the opposite happens, eg]
Well dude that shows that you havent actually tried it and in fact its you who is full of shit.
why? Because it NEVER asks you to bet on black or red or high/low numbers. So either you have misunderstood how to use it or you are lying.
Online Roulette Program
its true that you could work this system using just a pen & paper or a really good memory but it doesnt just rely on betting on low/medium/high.
This program just makes it far easier to work the system which would be a pain in the butt if you were to try it manually.
Newer versions of the program will include extra features & systems which you can turn off & on & combine together so you can try what works best for you.
It will also include analysis tools so that even if you dont want to follow the system(s) that are included you can get lots of info on the game you are playing.
theoak - I'm not here to argue or make enemies - if you don't like my program - thats fine - everyone is entitled to their opinion - but I guess you'll also berate my party slotto sim when its released as you seem to want to dismiss my stuff without giving it a chance.
This program just makes it far easier to work the system which would be a pain in the butt if you were to try it manually.
Newer versions of the program will include extra features & systems which you can turn off & on & combine together so you can try what works best for you.
It will also include analysis tools so that even if you dont want to follow the system(s) that are included you can get lots of info on the game you are playing.
theoak - I'm not here to argue or make enemies - if you don't like my program - thats fine - everyone is entitled to their opinion - but I guess you'll also berate my party slotto sim when its released as you seem to want to dismiss my stuff without giving it a chance.
Some of you seem to be missing the point!
The fact is that just because you have seen 10 reds in a row, doesn't mean the chance of the next spin being a black is any different; it's still 18/37.
Your probable return playing Roulette is exactly the same if you bet red every single time as it is if you try and predict the outcomes and change between red and black.
Well, at the very least, the people who think their "method" actually makes any difference are mistaken.
Anyway, I don't believe what you are claiming happened actually did happen. And if it did, then you were simply extremely unfortunate.
The fact is that just because you have seen 10 reds in a row, doesn't mean the chance of the next spin being a black is any different; it's still 18/37.
Your probable return playing Roulette is exactly the same if you bet red every single time as it is if you try and predict the outcomes and change between red and black.
"Playing methods" are not common sense - in fact they are quite the opposite.I'm all for someone trying to better our chances at winning (for the record: I never have and never will play any sort of roulette) but, is this software not just a replication of someones playing method, if they had common sense?
Well, at the very least, the people who think their "method" actually makes any difference are mistaken.
They have to be random - there is complicated legislation that governs these things and whilst you can't guarantee that all bookies/machines/whatever are random, the machines in Ladbrokes and Coral for example 100% are. The same goes for reputable online casinos.Of corse they are not random! During a 20 minute stint at the local bookies I had the numbers 9 and 24 come up 3 times in a row (and lost 60 quid) - see that in a casino?
Anyway, I don't believe what you are claiming happened actually did happen. And if it did, then you were simply extremely unfortunate.
"Playing methods" are not common sense - in fact they are quite the opposite.Nero wrote:Some of you seem to be missing the point!
The fact is that just because you have seen 10 reds in a row, doesn't mean the chance of the next spin being a black is any different]I'm all for someone trying to better our chances at winning (for the record: I never have and never will play any sort of roulette) but, is this software not just a replication of someones playing method, if they had common sense?
Well, at the very least, the people who think their "method" actually makes any difference are mistaken.
They have to be random - there is complicated legislation that governs these things and whilst you can't guarantee that all bookies/machines/whatever are random, the machines in Ladbrokes and Coral for example 100% are. The same goes for reputable online casinos.Of corse they are not random! During a 20 minute stint at the local bookies I had the numbers 9 and 24 come up 3 times in a row (and lost 60 quid) - see that in a casino?
Anyway, I don't believe what you are claiming happened actually did happen. And if it did, then you were simply extremely unfortunate.[/quote]
Mate
They aint Random! If you've ever seriously played these machines you would believe me. I can quite happily believe a number he didn't back came in three times on the trot, it happens (alot)
With ref to betting on red after black has come up 10 times.Yes, I agree the outcome is 50/50, but there is a thing called the law of averages.Try it in a casino (Not the FOBTs!)(although first you have to find a table where black/red has come up at least 5 or 6 times on the trot)begin your martingale system at this point and you have a good chance of winning.It is a boring pastime though and very time consuming, most gamblers get bored and end up betting anyway in between times.
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?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!Firefox wrote:Yes, I agree the outcome is 50/50, but there is a thing called the law of averages.Try it in a casino (Not the FOBTs!)(although first you have to find a table where black/red has come up at least 5 or 6 times on the trot)begin your martingale system at this point and you have a good chance of winning.
Yeah, good as in just under 50% chance on each spin! ...just like you would if you'd played BEFORE the 1 billion reds in a row came up. Your understanding of mathematics is clearly very flawed.
theoak - I wasn't talking about you; you're clearly one of the people who isn't missing the point.
Believe it or not I have been in the situation where you just can't believe what you're seeing on plenty of occasions, but those are the times that the brain remembers clearly; you easily forget when you win 4 or 5 times in a row, the mathematical likelihood of which is very small.
The Martingale is a theoretical system which would work if you had an unlimited bank balance and no limit to your bet size, neither of which are true for anybody, therfore - like ALL other Roulette systems - it fails and loses you money in the long run.
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW YOU PLAY ROULETTE OR WHAT YOU BET ON AT ANY POINT - YOUR EXPECTED RETURN IS EXACTLY THE SAME AND IS MATHEMATICALLY DEFINED.
I have played a LOT of simulated Roulette machines, which is why I know enough about them to be able to say unconditionally that they are random.Mate
They aint Random! If you've ever seriously played these machines you would believe me. I can quite happily believe a number he didn't back came in three times on the trot, it happens (alot)
With ref to betting on red after black has come up 10 times.Yes, I agree the outcome is 50/50, but there is a thing called the law of averages.Try it in a casino (Not the FOBTs!)(although first you have to find a table where black/red has come up at least 5 or 6 times on the trot)begin your martingale system at this point and you have a good chance of winning.It is a boring pastime though and very time consuming, most gamblers get bored and end up betting anyway in between times.
Believe it or not I have been in the situation where you just can't believe what you're seeing on plenty of occasions, but those are the times that the brain remembers clearly; you easily forget when you win 4 or 5 times in a row, the mathematical likelihood of which is very small.
The Martingale is a theoretical system which would work if you had an unlimited bank balance and no limit to your bet size, neither of which are true for anybody, therfore - like ALL other Roulette systems - it fails and loses you money in the long run.
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW YOU PLAY ROULETTE OR WHAT YOU BET ON AT ANY POINT - YOUR EXPECTED RETURN IS EXACTLY THE SAME AND IS MATHEMATICALLY DEFINED.
No, you have the same chance of winning as at every other time, which is less than 50%.With ref to betting on red after black has come up 10 times.Yes, I agree the outcome is 50/50, but there is a thing called the law of averages.Try it in a casino (Not the FOBTs!)(although first you have to find a table where black/red has come up at least 5 or 6 times on the trot)begin your martingale system at this point and you have a good chance of winning.
Computerised Roulette machines are as random as the ones you see in front of you at casinos. A computer uses external hardware to draw random numbers which are exactly as random as balls spinning on wheels, because that's basically a good example of what they do.
The bottom line is that this system (and any other - this one is nothing special) would work if you were playing on a Roulette table that wasn't drawing random numbers. I challenge you to find me one.
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Unfortunately, it's not within the realms of possibility, given our current understanding of quantum physics. It's fairly cheap to get genuine hardware based random number generators, the entropy of which is created by radioactive isotope decay. Good luck predicting that.Cardinal Richelieu wrote:I'm sure that given enough time and resources, it would be possible to create a program that could "crack" a casinos RNG.
However, if anyone ever does succeed in doing it, I don't think it will get sold for £9 to anyone who wants it!
There are several other cheap methods which can be employed to generate true randomness. Atmospheric noise comes to mind. Try building a system capable of predicting the exact location of _every_ lightning strike.
Another cool true random number generator, albeit impractical was one based on snapshots of a lava lamp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavarand
Since the gathering of data was by it's nature slow, the random numbers generated were used as seeds for pseudo-random generators.
<laugh> no it isn't, we're talking about FOBT's "Not" being random, I understand the roulette wheel has no memory and "THAT" is why the situations you see happening in bookies or on a PC would "not" happen in a casino." wrote:Firefox wrote: . Your understanding of mathematics is clearly very flawed.
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i;m not backing this system, all systems ultimately fail, i'm just trying to point out that the FOBT's are a completely wrong way of trying to prove a point about random numbers being drawn, because they aint "random"!" wrote:With ref to betting on red after black has come up 10 times.Yes, I agree the outcome is 50/50, but there is a thing called the law of averages.Try it in a casino (Not the FOBTs!)(although first you have to find a table where black/red has come up at least 5 or 6 times on the trot)begin your martingale system at this point and you have a good chance of winning.not on an FOBT you don'tNo, you have the same chance of winning as at every other time, which is less than 50%.
no they don't, the central server (PC) in the bookies draws the random number(Agreed, this is how it is done up and down the country). The Terminals talk to the server and decide which "randomly drawn" number to project onto their terminal.(Hence the pauses, speeding up etc.)Computerised Roulette machines are as random as the ones you see in front of you at casinos. A computer uses external hardware to draw random numbers which are exactly as random as balls spinning on wheels, because that's basically a good example of what they do.
The bottom line is that this system (and any other - this one is nothing special) would work if you were playing on a Roulette table that wasn't drawing random numbers. I challenge you to find me one.
still fairly peacful and looking forwards to going home on friday afternoon!