impossible to win on Internet sites Casino games?
impossible to win on Internet sites Casino games?
I tried a stupid tenner on red, it came black.... I dont think its possible to win on these at all?
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I'm almost cartain they're on a percentage per player..
I play the slots at paddypower, usually a tenner every 3/4 days..I always do the same thing, i'll lose the first 3 days then on the 4th get a good win thatmakes me 'most' of what i spend back.. I never lose loads but never seem to win big either.
It's as if it remembers when i was last on and if i'm due for a win!!
I play the slots at paddypower, usually a tenner every 3/4 days..I always do the same thing, i'll lose the first 3 days then on the 4th get a good win thatmakes me 'most' of what i spend back.. I never lose loads but never seem to win big either.
It's as if it remembers when i was last on and if i'm due for a win!!
I often watch Channel 847 on Sky, its live roulette with a real wheel. Looks good, I might give a go in November (no money in the bank at the moment! - Grr)
I have one of those 'Systems' which looks good, but probably wont work, it looks 100% random though, and loads of players bet on the same spin.
I have one of those 'Systems' which looks good, but probably wont work, it looks 100% random though, and loads of players bet on the same spin.
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Yeah, no systems work mate. They might win in the short term, but if you play over the longer term the house will always win.
I agree about those online roulettes though. I've never played them, but if they are as bad as FOBTs then it says it all!
Matt
I agree about those online roulettes though. I've never played them, but if they are as bad as FOBTs then it says it all!
Matt
"Sixty percent of the time, it works, every time!"
Na, there is a simple system for roulette. You just need the money to back it up 'if' it ever gets 15+ without the win. But the chances of that are extremly slim! You can make a fortune at roulette, but you need a fortune to start with.Mattb wrote:Yeah, no systems work mate. They might win in the short term, but if you play over the longer term the house will always win.
I agree about those online roulettes though. I've never played them, but if they are as bad as FOBTs then it says it all!
Matt
You would need a no limit table too
Yep the limits get you. I have one thats much better than the doubling up thing - it works in threes, and goes up in much smaller increments. Loses in the long run unless you start with a hefty float - you would have to start with £100, betting 10p a time (as it works in threes, each 'sequence' you complete would get you 30p). You need a big float behind you but it can be done - and you would have to be prepared to lose that £100 on an almightily bad run, and it doesnt seem worth possibly losing £100 to make 30p a go.
I don't believe for a second that the casinos are random, the roulette and blackjack in particular. I think they're programmed to be almost random, but theyre undoubtedly made to throw in absolutely appalling streaks of losing. And I mean as in no matter what you do, you WILL lose (ive had situations where ive been dealt 10+10, hold, with the dealer having a 4. They draw ridiculous things like 5,3,4,5, giving them 21).
I don't believe for a second that the casinos are random, the roulette and blackjack in particular. I think they're programmed to be almost random, but theyre undoubtedly made to throw in absolutely appalling streaks of losing. And I mean as in no matter what you do, you WILL lose (ive had situations where ive been dealt 10+10, hold, with the dealer having a 4. They draw ridiculous things like 5,3,4,5, giving them 21).
Why would they waste their time, credibility, reputation licence etc. by fixing games when the odds are stacked in their favour anyway? You lose because it's a negative expectation game, and there's nothing you can do about it..rocket wrote:I don't believe for a second that the casinos are random, the roulette and blackjack in particular. I think they're programmed to be almost random, but theyre undoubtedly made to throw in absolutely appalling streaks of losing. And I mean as in no matter what you do, you WILL lose (ive had situations where ive been dealt 10+10, hold, with the dealer having a 4. They draw ridiculous things like 5,3,4,5, giving them 21).
Anyway Hills proof their results to independent auditors and publish them on their website. And guess what, they are exactly as expected.
Fair point, and yep I suppose you have to admit that they are independently checked and audited.
But if you would play you would see how fishy these things appear. You get situations such as the one I described above for 3 or 4 hands running. Or you get blackjack, think you've cracked it and what do you know, so does the dealer!
But yes I know what you're saying. It just doesnt seem to occur in a random way - lose a few, win a few, lose a few, wina few etc, it seems to just throw in these streaks that cripple you.
But if you would play you would see how fishy these things appear. You get situations such as the one I described above for 3 or 4 hands running. Or you get blackjack, think you've cracked it and what do you know, so does the dealer!
But yes I know what you're saying. It just doesnt seem to occur in a random way - lose a few, win a few, lose a few, wina few etc, it seems to just throw in these streaks that cripple you.
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Ive been playing online casinos for about 5 years now. There are loads of them out there, william hill, getminted, coral, ladbrokes ect ect
After playing these casinos for so long, it is very clear that the games and the payout is fixed...your game is an individual game...your OWN individual game....It doesnt follow that you will put £30 on any online casino and you should win exactly £27 pounds ( to match a percentage ) But over a longer period of time, your payout will even out.
Online bingo will give you your best example of a complete fix. My mum will play online bingo rarely...She put £10 on Mecca, and won £400!! first go....great....She must have now deposited over £200, over the last 5 months or so ( she doesnt play often ) and she cant even get a line for £10!! they will have their £400 back before she wins a penny more.
If you go to a local bingo club....you will win £5 or £10 fairly often..so its clearly a fix....exactly the same system with online slots....
Heres a story of my own....Playing on Spin and win fruity on getminted casino....when i started playing, I would deposit £10 sometimes, win £30 every now and then - seemed pretty fair...till suddenly i won £1000!! from 20p a go....now...since winning that £1000 4 months ago, ive deposited £10's here and there quite a few times...maybe over £200 and havent won a single penny since....not even a £10 win roll in or anything!!
Went to a completely different casino - Paddypower casino, the same game Spin and win Fruity and im back to deposit £10 a few times win £20 or £30 sometimes....
Slightly suspicious?
I wont be back to getminted....the truth is, they know i won that £1000, maybe a mistake on their part?, and my payout over the time ove played there will be over 100% now....its trying to bring me back down..
I play the slots for fun....i dont mind spending a £10 for a few hours fun...sometimes you win sometimes you lose....but you know the reality. Theyre no smoke without fire....far to many suspicious events!!
After playing these casinos for so long, it is very clear that the games and the payout is fixed...your game is an individual game...your OWN individual game....It doesnt follow that you will put £30 on any online casino and you should win exactly £27 pounds ( to match a percentage ) But over a longer period of time, your payout will even out.
Online bingo will give you your best example of a complete fix. My mum will play online bingo rarely...She put £10 on Mecca, and won £400!! first go....great....She must have now deposited over £200, over the last 5 months or so ( she doesnt play often ) and she cant even get a line for £10!! they will have their £400 back before she wins a penny more.
If you go to a local bingo club....you will win £5 or £10 fairly often..so its clearly a fix....exactly the same system with online slots....
Heres a story of my own....Playing on Spin and win fruity on getminted casino....when i started playing, I would deposit £10 sometimes, win £30 every now and then - seemed pretty fair...till suddenly i won £1000!! from 20p a go....now...since winning that £1000 4 months ago, ive deposited £10's here and there quite a few times...maybe over £200 and havent won a single penny since....not even a £10 win roll in or anything!!
Went to a completely different casino - Paddypower casino, the same game Spin and win Fruity and im back to deposit £10 a few times win £20 or £30 sometimes....
Slightly suspicious?
I wont be back to getminted....the truth is, they know i won that £1000, maybe a mistake on their part?, and my payout over the time ove played there will be over 100% now....its trying to bring me back down..
I play the slots for fun....i dont mind spending a £10 for a few hours fun...sometimes you win sometimes you lose....but you know the reality. Theyre no smoke without fire....far to many suspicious events!!
Dobling up is no system, and ANYONE who truely understands mathematics will know there CANNOT be a system for a random game with anything under a 100% (average) payout.
All you can do is raise the chances but in doing so, lessen the size of the win., If youre happy making a £1 off £100 then you will most of the time, but firstly even this will go wrong at some point and you will lose all £100, and if you're happy with low returns; you should look up 'banks'! they offer CRAZY figures like 105% payouts!
All you can do is raise the chances but in doing so, lessen the size of the win., If youre happy making a £1 off £100 then you will most of the time, but firstly even this will go wrong at some point and you will lose all £100, and if you're happy with low returns; you should look up 'banks'! they offer CRAZY figures like 105% payouts!
But on the subject, yes online gaming is an UTTER fix, its amazing how it can be legal for players to have their own poercentages, effectively ensuring EVERYBODY will lose in the long run. The only thing I have noticed is sites playing very well when you first join them, and giving you a big win to get you hooked. Walk after this, and you may find the ONLY way to win from online slots.
I did so on 32red, got about 800 (DECLINE!!! the joining bonuseS!!!) and walked. also jackpotjoy payed me out about £500, although they make more of a point to insist they work on RNG.. who knows.
I did so on 32red, got about 800 (DECLINE!!! the joining bonuseS!!!) and walked. also jackpotjoy payed me out about £500, although they make more of a point to insist they work on RNG.. who knows.
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The first time I ever played a S16, I won about £260. I've played them a few times since, but never won anything.
Does that mean that S16s are fixed? Did they just bump my percentage up for my first shot, and then lower it for all my subsequent visits?
Nobody has come up with ANY proof that online casinos are fixed, apart from recounting a few tales of bad luck / initial good luck.
Don't try and blame the casino for your own stupidity at throwing away money. The fact that you joined an online casino in the first place shows that you may have a gambling problem. This in turn means that you're prone to more "irrational gambling". The payout on a roulette wheel may be very high (98-99%?), but the hardened gambler will keep playing it till he's lost all his money, theteby making a 0% payout.
As for the bingo example. I used to work in a largeish bingo hall. An average attendance would be 1,000 players. There were roughly 10 games in the book, and you had 3 chances to win on each book.
Therefore, 30 chances to win per night = 30 / 1000 = 3% chance.
So therefore, you would expect to win around 1 in 30 times, certainly not "fairly often".
If you're going to play online casinos, don't throw away your money, then bleat about the whole thing being rigged. Online casinos might be predatory, underhand and exploitative, but one thing they're not is out and out cheats. They have too much to lose by trying to nick a few quid off you by rigging a game of blackjack that they are statistically likely to win anyway.
Does that mean that S16s are fixed? Did they just bump my percentage up for my first shot, and then lower it for all my subsequent visits?
Nobody has come up with ANY proof that online casinos are fixed, apart from recounting a few tales of bad luck / initial good luck.
Don't try and blame the casino for your own stupidity at throwing away money. The fact that you joined an online casino in the first place shows that you may have a gambling problem. This in turn means that you're prone to more "irrational gambling". The payout on a roulette wheel may be very high (98-99%?), but the hardened gambler will keep playing it till he's lost all his money, theteby making a 0% payout.
As for the bingo example. I used to work in a largeish bingo hall. An average attendance would be 1,000 players. There were roughly 10 games in the book, and you had 3 chances to win on each book.
Therefore, 30 chances to win per night = 30 / 1000 = 3% chance.
So therefore, you would expect to win around 1 in 30 times, certainly not "fairly often".
If you're going to play online casinos, don't throw away your money, then bleat about the whole thing being rigged. Online casinos might be predatory, underhand and exploitative, but one thing they're not is out and out cheats. They have too much to lose by trying to nick a few quid off you by rigging a game of blackjack that they are statistically likely to win anyway.
Find me a single player who got one of those 'money match' or joinging bonuses, who wasnt up by hundreds at some point on the slots with it, only to find out about that clause where you have to spend for example 30x your initial input. THAT at least if def rigged.
But I have gambled for a long time, I have played roulette quite a lot, and I've also played online gambling far too much too, In every form of gambling, i have had big wins back-to-back EXCEPT the online slots.
It is nearly always, 100 in, 80 back out, 100 in, 80 out. Obviously I cannot PROVE they are somtimes/often rigger, or that each player works to their own percentage, but I am certianly 100x more scepticle of online gambling simply through my extensive involvement in many forms of gambling that involve 'randomness'.
But I have gambled for a long time, I have played roulette quite a lot, and I've also played online gambling far too much too, In every form of gambling, i have had big wins back-to-back EXCEPT the online slots.
It is nearly always, 100 in, 80 back out, 100 in, 80 out. Obviously I cannot PROVE they are somtimes/often rigger, or that each player works to their own percentage, but I am certianly 100x more scepticle of online gambling simply through my extensive involvement in many forms of gambling that involve 'randomness'.