Sick of staff and landlords

anfield road · Post by **anfield road** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:48 pm

was Playing a SMTM which I put £70 in for £140 anyway then I collected it all out after I broke the bank and as we walked out he said 'oy NIPPER' I walked back he said I will be watching the cameras bla bla then he said you have told me your dads a Technician.
I was like what the hell would I say that for hes not anyway hes a scaffolder and he said piss off your barred.

Barred from a Panther for getting it off £3.

Photos sent all round one of my local routes so I am barred from all them, its really pissing me off i have lost about 13 machines which I make hell of money off.

Dick head land lords, police were phoned last week in Wrexham searched us and everything had 2 refill keys on me they did not look twice at it and said how have you got £100 coins and £400 notes they dont pay out notes lmfao I changed them dick head hahaha.

Let us go searched in from of everyone though you feel like a right twat

ma71lda · Post by **ma71lda** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:10 pm

Don't worry Anfield, give it 6-12 months and there won't be any AWP's for you to cleanout. They will all be replaced with the new FOBT style machines.

The reason why landlords and the old bill don't like you is because you make more in a weekend than they do in a week doing something you enjoy, unlike them.

ob · Post by ob » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:12 pm

yep, another great feature about playing these days, SO MUCH HEAT!

Everyone (landlords/bar staff/regulars) knows about players these days, I've had countless "You're a professional" comments thrown at me from regulars/staff this year, you get barred left right and centre.

I can see those stupid video things/random things coming not too far off anyway - what will all the players do!

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:15 pm

ma71lda wrote:Don't worry Anfield, give it 6-12 months and there won't be any AWP's for you to cleanout. They will all be replaced with the new FOBT style

is that 100% definate???

Nixxy · Post by **Nixxy** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:58 pm

Extreme Eddie wrote:
ma71lda wrote:Don't worry Anfield, give it 6-12 months and there won't be any AWP's for you to cleanout. They will all be replaced with the new FOBT style

is that 100% definate???

Well, even if they aren't the same sort of terminals currently sited in LBOs, it really can't be too much longer before fruit machines become video screens.

I know I'll lose interest.

pierkid · Post by **pierkid** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:50 pm

Always thought that kind of thing was out of order, got barred one season from where I play for two months for being a regular, little did they realise that it makes no fucking difference as the percentage rules, if I dont win it someone else will!

I've often thought about opening my own arcade...............oh the fun I could have.

JG · Post by JG » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:36 am

It can make a huge difference. If regulars don't get a game, they'll vote with their feet. Some games you can skim more than others. Let's look at things mathematically.

A machine(x) is sited in a local pub at 80% payout. It gets played by two regulars (A) and (B). It also gets played by a pro player(C). The pro has a method whereby he can obtain £20 profit on the machine when it is 'happy'. When the machine is 'happy' it'll take £5 for a board and pay back £3 every time. Sometimes it'll throw in a random £20 jackpot every £100 or so. When the machine is dead it'll need to take £100 through of paying £5 in for £3 back.

In this case the pro is taking saved value, or temporary blocking saved value and this doesn't affect the main reflex. Although variables such as the frequency at which A+B play and how often they need to win £20 to keep interested in the game do apply.

The problem arises when the pro player takes the £20 value when the same machine, different profile pays back £4 for every £5 in when happy. The machine is dead and will now pay <£4 for every £5 to make %. The problem worsens when the machine is programmed to correct the deficit quickly and 'unhappy' mode now means £10 in for £1 back.

The bottom line is 'The inefficient players who happily pay off their stake to % now play less and are not happy with the 'new' game. The efficient player who takes out value, still plays the same money to % and still takes out value. This results in a deficit of throughput and a reduced cashbox'

or 'There is only a finite amount of capital from inefficient players which'll be invested in the machine to make up lost value due to efficient players'

Walking into a pub and getting three flashes on an Ant 'n Dec is free value. Taking a repeat out of Card Shark and killing it is a mix of both. Stealing a crafty '85' out of a positive reflexing end of streak FNC is killing the main reflex stone dead. The games all differ in their mechanisms of recovering lost % and indeed paying %, but ultimately the pro takes value from the business. Come on it's common sense. Mathematics Schmathematics. That money you win is paid for, it's not free, rarely virtually free (small 2% save). It's usually blatant player advantage value ripping tactics.

Let's not make out we're totally innocent. You're walking in, buying your half thimble of diet lemonade and hoping to win the money from other people's poorer play (unless there's an emptier).

Maybe if this bothers Landlords so much, they should consider not housing the machines on their premises, since this is only human nature.

However, they make useful money. People play 'em and they're free to bar you from playing the machines. It's tough luck and another reason why I don't bother playing all the reds in the 'local' pubs which are probably not that happy anyway. It sucks, but that's gambling for you.

Christ knows where people find all these arb1 reds. Jeez, it's all mostly FNC and SMTM around here. Usually £10 through on 50p without a number. Then it's a battle to take back value with hot shots etc.

Stopnstep · Post by **Stopnstep** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:06 am

It comes down to subtlety, these things have been said a million times before on here if you are subtle with what you are doing then there shouldn't be a problem.

I have hardly ever been barred and I go in the same pubs week after week and win out of their bandits but because I am subtle in doing it I never have a problem (you watch me get barred from somewhere the weekend now!).

Anfield you are unlucky to have had your photo circulated, just have to find a new area i guess.

anfield road · Post by **anfield road** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:15 am

Yeah I do play well and try to keep it subtle but they just watch you like mad, i really dont see the problem.

I said your just jealous mate he did not seem to impressed and the way he said he going to check the camras was just unreal, good job it was full and did not need to check the balance and last win.

never mind just have to keep moving round

gambogaz1 · Post by **gambogaz1** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:25 am

I had someone ask me if I was using anything dodgy just because I'd had a JP repeat on HC.
Also when I took £81 out of throw a wobbler on friday it was the talk of the pub as if it was unheard of to win so much.

jeffvickers · Post by **jeffvickers** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:03 pm

In Cliquey pubs, you've got to wear your best chav gear and look unsettling and intimidating. You get left to get on with the job then.

blackmogu · Post by **blackmogu** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:46 pm

I was playing a most daunted in an old mas kind of boozer in Weymouth many moons ago, and was plouging away, when my friend started to laugh (he was sitting down at a table drinking a beer). I had noticed the attention that I was attracting from the patrons, but thought nothing of it. Then my friend pointed to the big TVs in the corner of the pub, which displayed me and the fruit machine for all to see. And there was me thinking the old folk would prefer to watch songs of praise on a Sunday.

milk monitor · Post by **milk monitor** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:25 pm

Guy in motorway services called his mnager to report that I was using a bit of paper this week (PO5). I joked it was a laser gun, His manager was a bit embarased and laughed it off. Iornically that bit of paper enabled me to leave it 230 short.

jeffvickers · Post by **jeffvickers** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:02 pm

Do you mark the scratches on the mirror on a piece of paper and match them with their subsequent amount?

pierkid · Post by **pierkid** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:12 pm

jeffvickers wrote:Do you mark the scratches on the mirror on a piece of paper and match them with their subsequent amount?

At last somebody else is using common sense.