Fruit Machine Chat

i just thought i would share this flukey experience with you all, went into my local nobles yesterday, went on a few of my favourite machines ker ching, monopoly. then i decided i wood put 2 quid in random spinner, first spin nothing. then proceced to put another 4 in. in the meantime some bloke telling me that it had gone for 15o that morning. on my third spin i got the 3 discs for the feature and i got 500, so jammy. you should have seen this guys face it was a picture. i wont be able to do that again lol.

Congrats! Did it do anything after? Sometimes these £500s seem to streak

I've still not had a 500jp yet, had £250s and £125s on slotto though - pretty much stopped playing them altogether now though, although I only used to give them at score at best My mate plays them more than me, he gets quite lucky, £1 for a £338 gold pot on Rainbow Riches the other week

£40 for a double on monopoly and £8 for £500 on Reelking a few days later.

Just not me

** waits for another "S16s are definitely not random" post **

It does happen, l seen Jackpot drop 3 times in the same day from a Elvis £500 jackpot. Crazy stuff. they are NOT random ... no way

mcd_chicken wrote:It does happen, l seen Jackpot drop 3 times in the same day from a Elvis £500 jackpot. Crazy stuff. they are NOT random ... no way

I played a flash roulette last night, free play, and it gave 3 '3s' in 5 spins. Can't see that being random either

mcd_chicken wrote:It does happen, l seen Jackpot drop 3 times in the same day from a Elvis £500 jackpot. Crazy stuff. they are NOT random ... no way

I was beginning to lose faith there for a while. Still, like buses and trains, if you wait long enough, there'll be one along eventually.

I watch a TV series called Numb3rs and in one of the episodes they talk about randomness. They say that even in a truely random sequence the human brain will try to make a pattern hence why you think you can see them streak

They also say that a computer based system can never truely be random which is true (it can be close though) but in the case of a section 16 it is not the computer that is random it is you.

SteveV2 or The Mission I have a question when the machine is switched off at night does the RNG continue to run its program or does it simply switch of with the rest of the kit.

they are NOT random ... no way

Sigh....

If anyone can 'prove' that that these machines are not 'random' then take 'em to court and reap the rewards. You won't, so hence you can't!

As discussed countless, endless, numerous and any other adverbless times, the definition of Random applies to these machines.

And before anyone brings up the argument about 'they say they pay to a percentage', any 'random' series of events DOES have a percentage 'turnout'.

Even tossing a poxy coin 'pays out' at 50%.

Cash is King wrote:SteveV2 or The Mission I have a question when the machine is switched off at night does the RNG continue to run its program or does it simply switch of with the rest of the kit.

Well it depends on the situation. In the case of a set of machines running off a common RNG (FOBTs perhaps? which I know little about) that is self-powered, it'll keep going. The ones I deal with are tied to an individual machine and run off its cctalk interface (which also provides the comms to the coin/note acceptors, hoppers etc) and draw power from that interface, so go off when the machine does.

Matt Vinyl wrote:

they are NOT random ... no way

Sigh....

If anyone can 'prove' that that these machines are not 'random' then take 'em to court and reap the rewards. You won't, so hence you can't!

As discussed countless, endless, numerous and any other adverbless times, the definition of Random applies to these machines.

And before anyone brings up the argument about 'they say they pay to a percentage', any 'random' series of events DOES have a percentage 'turnout'.

Even tossing a poxy coin 'pays out' at 50%. ]

true its a statistical percentage as opposed to a programmed one

Cheers Mission

Cash is King wrote:They also say that a computer based system can never truely be random which is true (it can be close though) but in the case of a section 16 it is not the computer that is random it is you.

Very well put. I'm sure someone could come up with a device to tune into the 'RNG'. but you are right that computers can never be *truely* random as my knowledge is that you can't PROGRAM randomness.

I have a very good mate who used to test roullette machines and now works on the IT boxes machines. Try as I might, I cannot convince him to NOT report a bug he finds. :x

theoak wrote:

Cash is King wrote:They also say that a computer based system can never truely be random which is true (it can be close though) but in the case of a section 16 it is not the computer that is random it is you.

Very well put. I'm sure someone could come up with a device to tune into the 'RNG'. but you are right that computers can never be *truely* random as my knowledge is that you can't PROGRAM randomness.

I have a very good mate who used to test roullette machines and now works on the IT boxes machines. Try as I might, I cannot convince him to NOT report a bug he finds. :x

Please read my previous posts. You can snoop any comms line (before getting chucked out of the hovel where you are sat). But then you have to interpret the info you're getting. As I've indicated before, if you want to have a stab at grabbing and/or poking the right number(s) into a machine fitted with a RNG running at 60MHz+, be my guest - you will fail miserably.

I'm not saying we can have any feasible way of knowing the number beforehand! Just saying that computers can't be GENUINELY random in their nature.