Fruit Machine Chat

be afraid............ be very afraid!!!!!!!

I believe many people will be put off by the idea and thus not play the m/cs. The company will not make as much money so might bring back all £25 JP m/cs - Hopefully.

You shouldn't be scared, its the same principle as before. You will moan if it takes £20 for a board and then 'dead' but you won't if you get like a £150 streak of a red?

The whole idea puts me off anyway, i beleive they will keep most of the m/cs £25 JP and only bring in a few £35JPs - just as an introduction!

Maybe they will bring an extreme out which all the setups work on and is £35Jp. Instead of making a score you might make £40? You just don't know

not gonna panic yet. your only as good as the info you get. time will tell.

toothless11 wrote:I believe many people will be put off by the idea and thus not play the m/cs. The company will not make as much money so might bring back all £25 JP m/cs - Hopefully.

You shouldn't be scared, its the same principle as before. You will moan if it takes £20 for a board and then 'dead' but you won't if you get like a £150 streak of a red?

The whole idea puts me off anyway, i beleive they will keep most of the m/cs £25 JP and only bring in a few £35JPs - just as an introduction!

Maybe they will bring an extreme out which all the setups work on and is £35Jp. Instead of making a score you might make £40? You just don't know

I've heard that the 50p/£35 will be an option like multi stake games £25 will still be available but you could select the 50p stake option which will allow more features or higher payout %age

dont see why people are so worried, we survived the previous change. why are people scared of change? at the end of the day there will always be mugs about to fill the m/c's up for us all. as long as you know what your doing on them theres always gonna be people who dont. people also talking about quiting too, why? why turn your back on potential earners and money makers?
The futures bright, the futures £35 JP's

It's the stake/JP ratio thats going to be putting people off.

At the moment it's around 100x the stake for the JP (25p/£25JP). This is going to change to 70x (50p/£35JP), which is why casual players might get put off.

Matt

We're kind of acting like manus have to have the stake at 50p, but remember it's only the maximum. I personally think that most will either ofter multi-stake (five lines at 10p a line) or use a 30p/£35 ratio, which actually improves things.

I agree Weyland. The 'ruling' effectively only increases the headroom, not the minimum JP value.

I still think it should open up the possibilities of more interesting gameplay features on new machines. Remember, these manufacturers / designers aren't stupid, if no-one will play their machines, outlets will not have them sited, the manu's don't get paid. It is up to them to make something that guys like us (and more importantly the casupunt) will want to play!

It's almost the same as the film or gaming industry, it's a form of amusement for the majority of players, and if it don't amuse, it won't get played.* So, at the end of the day, it's in their hands whether their business will continue having customers.

* There are the 5-10% of people who will play any old sheeyite if they think they'll win. BFM, Extreme, are you listening!

I heard they are taxed like a S16, so would you, the arcade owner have a £25 machine with a £700 odd bill or a £35 one with a £2000 one?

You choose, I am certain you will see more £25s than £35s, more so in the arcades. I'd say the pub chains will have the £35s within a month or so.

I can't see a machine making the extra £1300 it needs to make it worthwhile TBH.

Seems to me like that they've accepted defeat and are just milking the last few people that actually play for all they've got before they eventually die out at some point in the near fututre.

Either that or they genuinely believe that people will casually play at 50p a go, when they can play on a SWP for 50p a go, which is suicide, they'd probably make more money through reducing the JP to £20 or £15 and focus on making the machines more playable.

The SWP is really all about winning £1 or £2. Now and again. At the end of the day, pretty much all SWP games *are* skill based (D'uh) BUT payout heavily to a %, usually 30%.

Arcade AWPs can payout around 90% which makes them a much more attractive proposition than some sorry quiz game which'll offer me 25points for answering "What is 2345.235432523*235335+324324.453553-45.6?" when I need 8 billion points for a £1. Tick tock tick tock I had one second to answer that last question. At 30% payout you've got to be seriously knowledgable to make money with any regularity.

I've come across 50% generous SWPs which are happy and I've made a few bob. I've also seen lots of money go into SWPs, hop across to the SWP forum my friends as I'm going to do a posting there I think.....


Maximum win for me off 1*50p = £13 on Coronation Street (JPM) 1*£10, yes £10 mystery prize from the ???? things + £3 for the phrase. A virtual gimmie, complete phrase+£10 instant cash. Jade Goody could have won that!

Maximum loss in one session = £23 on a £1/play millionaie going halves with another very drunken lunatic. How I wanted to kick Chris Tarrant in the balls after that.....Ahhhhurgh.....final answer?

Enough jibber jabber, let's jump....

SWPs are much the same as AWPs though. It's easy as hell to spot a dead one. Examples:

Bullseye - 501+ starts
Hangman - 25/50 points per phrase
Cleudo - Missing rooms
Millionaire - £1 up at 32,000

Its endless really. At least its only costing you 50p to find out, rather than a lot of £'s at times on an AWP!

Matt

SteveV2 wrote:I heard they are taxed like a S16, so would you, the arcade owner have a £25 machine with a £700 odd bill or a £35 one with a £2000 one?

You choose, I am certain you will see more £25s than £35s, more so in the arcades. I'd say the pub chains will have the £35s within a month or so.

True. Its an oversight by the government but they have promised to rectify it in the next Budget

Doctor wrote:

SteveV2 wrote:I heard they are taxed like a S16, so would you, the arcade owner have a £25 machine with a £700 odd bill or a £35 one with a £2000 one?

True. Its an oversight by the government but they have promised to rectify it in the next Budget

Yeah, the Finance Act 2006 defined cat C machines as having a stake not exceeding 50p and a prize not exceeding £25. Ooops. As you say though, they've promised to fix it in the next budget.

Do you know it's been six years instead of the usual three since the last increase?

Weyland wrote:

Doctor wrote:

SteveV2 wrote:I heard they are taxed like a S16, so would you, the arcade owner have a £25 machine with a £700 odd bill or a £35 one with a £2000 one?

True. Its an oversight by the government but they have promised to rectify it in the next Budget

Yeah, the Finance Act 2006 defined cat C machines as having a stake not exceeding 50p and a prize not exceeding £25. Ooops. As you say though, they've promised to fix it in the next budget. ]

yep 50p/£35 was recommended 3 years ago i think - should be 50p/£50 at the moment.

dont think it'll do much to help the industry though - any initial uplift will be swallowed up by the cost of the new license. with at least 6months to wait the novelty will have gone.