Corals for Doors

AMK · Post by **AMK** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:11 am

I bet you won't sleep tonight with excitement. OB will be flying down to the Sevenoaks Coral in the morning with his test grand to see if he can pot out all the golds.

I'm predicting a £2000 raise, followed by 3 keybets on £482.

Are they planning on putting their keybet up to £500 for 2 weeks too?

Coral Promotion
From today, Rainbow Riches, Reel King Potty and Rainbow King Potty will be getting all their gold pots boosted to £500 on every terminal. Once won the pot will reset to £250.

quizard · Post by **quizard** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:16 am

AMK wrote: Are they planning on putting their keybet up to £500 for 2 weeks too?

Only on Fantasy Island.

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:21 am

AMK wrote:
Once won the pot will reset to £250.

Big assumption they make, that the pots will be won, i'm tooled with a few k to take em down.

quizard · Post by **quizard** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:26 am

Pots of Gold are not all that hard to find on £500 or near anyway so they can't payout that often. Is Rainbow King a better prospect? I assumed none of them were on £500 simply because they had not been around long enough.

AMK · Post by **AMK** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:30 am

Id imagine OB will be taking a few of these out lol.

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:36 am

Reel King Potty and Rainbow King Potty don't get all that much play, have to play superslotto to get the highest payoff which is £2 a spin.

A good promotion would be all progressives set to £500 till won

AMK · Post by **AMK** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:46 am

Even with that promotion they would still make thousands.

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:25 am

Shareholders are demanding year on year growth, the way they have achieved that is going from high payout casino games down to lower payout slot games, not sure what the next move is, but aside the continious promotions and tournaments i'm not sure what they can do. The big operators are reduced to opening shops where competitors are just to take a slice of the action, next move os to go for higher stakes slot games to get higher faster turnover.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:25 am

bronze all the way and you all know it

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:26 am

Slept in, all the golds have gone, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

7-10-2-7-LOSE · Post by **7-10-2-7-LOSE** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:40 pm

Have had 32 Gold pots today......

quizard · Post by **quizard** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:07 pm

People weren't exactly queuing up to play them. Most I looked at today had not been touched LOL.

Anyway a £500 gold pot version of Pots of Gold seems to have materilised unannounced on Ladbrokes units during today. So it looks like Pot Wars! LOL

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:07 pm

Surely it doesn't matter what the pots are on? There is no suggestion that the increase of a progressive pot on any B3 machine increases the payout percentage. As long as every spin creates a win table which conforms to the percentage, the value of these wins are arbitrary and cannot be known.

Let's start with the simplest example. A £500 Jp machine in which the only win possible is £500. You get lots of losing spins, and some Jp's (plenty more than you would see on anything released at the moment). Let's say it's set to 92%, you would expect to get a Jp every £543. Let's be clear, it's totally random. You could get it first spin or you could go years without getting it, but the longer you played it the closer you should get to that figure. So significantly, after say £50000 through you should be pretty close to the figures we're talking about.

Now I'm sure by this time plenty of you already agree / totally disagree. Well I haven't even got to my main point. As we put in more and more wins, things quickly become very complicated. So our machine can now pay £0, £1, £2 and Jp. However, I must stress that no matter what the breakdown it's still possible for each spin to level out to 92%.

Now my machine has every spin:

A 0.1% chance of £500
A 10% chance of £2*
A 22% chance of £1
And a 67.9% chance of £0

It still pays out the same 92% that we talked about before. Further to this there seems to be no reason why the machine cannot change its wintable every spin, which leads us to my final point.*

It doesn't matter how these potential wins are displayed, or how they might seem to be "progressing", as in the case of these pots. It needn't (and dare I say doesn't) have an impact on the payout. It doesn't matter if all three pots are on £500; it doesn't matter how long since it span in a feature. It doesn't matter if someone has won on it before you.*

When progressive pots are incorporated into the win tables we talk about above, things are complicated once more. Now (technically) the win table must be recalculated every spin. However this does not in any way effect the randomness of the game.*

I hope this helps people to understand how it's not only the %, but the profile of the machine that effects its play. And maybe saves some the inevitable losses that will come from chasing these games.

ob · Post by ob » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:42 am

I've been in Amsterdam so unable to chase the gold pots as yet!! Had a poker stint that was UBER annoying, 200 sit 2/2 hold em got all in on a nut flush draw first time for it to miss, reload and get jacks with a jack flop all in vs 2 others and has to come spade on river for a flush vs super loose muppet who calls nigh on every bet! Next hand 2 pair on the flop I all in the turn for another 150 into a 150 pot same uber m.ug calls with 2 3 suited for low flush draw and there it comes on the river!!! UBER cross luckily I found ways of calming down ;-)

Cf · Post by Cf » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:41 am

Progressives is something I was thinking about a while ago.

I'm going to start off by saying that even on £500/£500/£500 pots (can they get to that?) they are still not worth playing...

The way I see it, it gets complicated having to recalculate win tables based on what the pots are. The simplest thing to do is to simply have your reels set up and for each reel choose a position randomly. So say each reel is 30 icons long, that gives 2.43m combinations. And on a game without progressives/bonuses/anythingfancy this would give you your 92% payout (2.23m total wins).

As far as I can tell, the simplest way of having progressive pots work is to simply incorporate them into however the reels are sequenced as above, but count them as £0 for the purposes of wins. But if say your % is 92% then make the main game 90% and take 2p every spin towards a progressive bank.

If they work that way (which i'm not claiming they do) then the bookies have essentially pumped a couple of hundred quid into each of them. However... the chances of winning are still low enough that they still have a significant edge. I'm gonna pluck a number from thin air here but I imagine it's right. If the payout is 92% then this promotion may increase it to at best 92.1%.

The above is all conjecture of course, but it's how it'd make sense to me...