Fruit Machine Chat

Say you got pots and gambled but lost, that pot is then re-set to zero but the machine would have not paid out the pot via physical coins so where does this money go?

The act of winning a pot is not negated by the fact that you lost the value of the pot on a later unconnected event (the gamble).

If the machine in question is compensated, I guess that the lost pot / cash meter goes back into reel wins.

e4ans wrote:Say you got pots and gambled but lost, that pot is then re-set to zero but the machine would have not paid out the pot via physical coins so where does this money go?

The way you asked that question makes me wonder whether this has actually happened to you recently? The pot'll reset to starting amount and the machine will register it as a win. Quite what you decide to do with said win on the pie gamble is entirely up to the player.

Nixxy wrote:

e4ans wrote:Say you got pots and gambled but lost, that pot is then re-set to zero but the machine would have not paid out the pot via physical coins so where does this money go?

The way you asked that question makes me wonder whether this has actually happened to you recently? The pot'll reset to starting amount and the machine will register it as a win. Quite what you decide to do with said win on the pie gamble is entirely up to the player.

Not at all about me. I just watch a few vids on youtube and a few people gamble bronze pots all or nothing. Just curious how the machine say re-sets the pot and not payed the coins out. Spose its like a horse double

The game and pie gamble are seperate entities.

The game runs to an overall target % and every single win contributes to it.

The pie is 100% random and has no % so whatever you win/lose on it doesn't effect the games %


That's how I've been led to believe it works anyway.

I imagine it would be like banking a £70 win on a fruit machine and then rather than collecting it just playing with it back through the machine.

there is no disclaimer in the machines 'info' for or against these arguments,
but:
it cant just disappear,
it cant get added to the machines reel play
the pie gamble isnt by any law allowed to be as 'simple' as that (surely???)

that'd be like after every single person wins anything in the bookies, the attendant asking you if you want to flip a coin for an extra 1/4 on top??

the after gamble collects your winnings (the pots are won and moved to a different betting option)and bets them on a seperate NEW bet. BUT the max bet on all games is £100, so if you win pots of £250, how can this be?

surely the pie gamble is part and parcel of the machines overall ratio of in/out thus controlable by the machines 'compensating' structure.
the drift on a £500 is probably something like 10x jp anyway, but with this gamble at the end, theoreticly you can expect it to be part of the machines cycles, the money cannot legally be bet in the first place if its below £100, unless its covered within the first contract at £1 a spin and it is part of that 'game' in an attempt to better the outcome to a max of £500, upon which you bend the rules about connective play witihin multiple 'plays'


i always thought (possibly quite stupidly) that if you won say a £300 win and lost it on the gamble, that the machine would chuck in a few reasonable bonuses or worthwhile reel wins (50-80) later on down the line to catch up, so instead of being able to force it, it'd give £60 on wells or three leps would be £80 the next few times instead of £12, but as a win, the £300 loss wouldnt be obtainable in one chunk.

either way, if i play these, the gamble function stays off.

Spyder wrote: BUT the max bet on all games is £100, so if you win pots of £250, how can this be?

The upper limit would indeed be £100 of the players' own stake money, but on a pie gamble it isn't stake money that's being gambled, it's winnings - hence you can gamble anything with a 'stake' (comprised of winnings) £100+ up to £499.90 legally.

Think about Cash Ahoy - the one where anytime you get a win of any description it starts the 'superbet' option, where you can suddenly play the game at higher stakes because you're playing with the winnings not the stake money. £10-a-spin, previously outlawed on S16s when cat B3 impose a £1 stake limit, becomes playable again via this method.

how i would love to see the profit and loss off of one of these,

staked £10,000
paid out £9000
*profit £1000
profit from pie gamble £9000
total in £10,000
total out £0
total profit £10,000

Well I've got one coming into my flat next weekend. Rest assured I'll be experimenting!!!!

BFK wrote:Well I've got one coming into my flat next weekend. Rest assured I'll be experimenting!!!!

What you got coming ?
Was it you who brought pots of gold on ebay for 3k ?
Wanted it myself but 3k is 1k too much i think for home use.
3k is a nice buy tho if you site it.

£3k? No chance.

Negotiated a deal with a company I've bought machines from before. It's got riches, that mummy thing and the shitty 3 reel thing on with the repeat chances.

You can buy standalone riches and elvis for about £500-£800 now. But there is no gamble option so a bit dull really.

JG wrote:If you could flip heads or tails, on a winning bet, for double or nothing - would that bet come back if you lost? It's supposedly the same with these games and card gamble on Infiniti.

Jackpot George - The reason I asked this was I play clubs alot (http://www.youtube.com/e4ans) and the cashpot win on all electronic machines is classed as a free win. On the 4 reelers its paid out as a jp but on the Barcrests a 1p in the £1 goes into the Pots same as the cashpot would go up on Club Casino Crazy after a few pounds.

on club casino crazy you cant spunk it in one shot after you won it.. it gets banked..

the "gamble" feature is really bad on the sec16b3whatever's

you have to obtain a win of £250 off the reels to gamble once in an attempt to get an extra £30 and lose
yet the next £30 reel win wont let you gamble it against a raise of £250..

not sure how its fair.. not even sure if what im trying to explain makes sense?