There may be a high level of luck when you play at the level the majority of us lot do. Stands to reason.
I play a lot of low stakes Sit 'n' Go's - standard and double ya moneys. I think I play poker quite well, I ain't no superstar but I'm better than the average mug and I make more than I lose but recently it's become exceptionally hard work. Maybe I have to change my game, loosen up a bit, broaden my range of cards but no matter what I do I can't pre-determine that a nutter with 2,9 o/s is gonna call my all-in push with A,A....and hit.
Nor can I instill the value of money in an opponents mind. Us microstakes players have to grin and bear it and carry on grinding.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, the higher echelon players play with skill because there is respect when you are playing for big amounts of cash. Sure, they have luck and they have/need bottle, but they read the game better and I imagine they understand it better than the average player.
Let's be honest, is it coincidence the same players make the final tables on a regular basis? Surely not?
You can learn how to play poker within a night, yet it takes years to master. So stories of people knocking fruits on the head and start making $50k p/m are absolutely ludicrous!!!!
Given Up Fruits/Online poker
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Master of Games
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There seem to be a general view that fruit machine players can just suddenly be great poker players! Reasons given are that we're patient, good at bluffing (obviously not all of us) but we're basically forced to blag half the time due to the nature of our "work". There is so little in common between being a pro poker player and we do in reality!
I'm not saying anyone here can't become a great poker player (I'm probably least likely to) but its highly unlikely because there just is NO reason why we would be! Perhaps we have more chance than someone who has never gambled, more that someone who worked in McDonalds and a shop all his/her life because we know about odds, gambling, etc. but that's about the only advantage we have.
Blackjack is for me, poker isn't!
I'm not saying anyone here can't become a great poker player (I'm probably least likely to) but its highly unlikely because there just is NO reason why we would be! Perhaps we have more chance than someone who has never gambled, more that someone who worked in McDonalds and a shop all his/her life because we know about odds, gambling, etc. but that's about the only advantage we have.
Blackjack is for me, poker isn't!
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hehe
Well, you can always double up or attack with greater bankroll.
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I don't know if you've ever properly 'run bad' but it's horrific.fruity777 wrote:I stand corrected, luck is not involved. It's variance according to the way you play.pokerpete wrote:there's no luck in poker
only variance
I had a 9 month spell where I couldn't win a bean.
It's an old maxim that you can't win tournaments without winning your coinflips.
Well in that 9 months I couldn't win an 80/20.
I worked in a bank but gave it up to play poker as I was earning considerably more at the tables than in my proper job. Then without changing my style of play, about six months into my new profession, I just stopped winning. Aces cracked on the bubble, houses beat by quads, straight flush beat by royal, just the most incredible run of "bad luck" or variance.
I was playing about 70/30 live/online and I saw equally horrific outdraws in botyh mediums, which is why I have no truck with the doom switch conspiracies (I'm still not sure JG means all he says, my irony detector is going crazy but I'm not sure it's right)
I get amused by people getting a couple of outdraws in a tourney, or having a week or two after a withdrawal where they think the poker gods or the fascists at pokerstars have it in for them.
They have no idea what running bad is.
Running very well at the minute though so can't complain.
