499.20

eastangliapro · Post by **eastangliapro** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:07 am

thousands

eastangliapro · Post by **eastangliapro** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:10 am

unless your buddylove......soon as it gets to 499.xx the rainbow riches leprachaun come flying across the screen doing a karate kick/roundhouse knocking the jackpot king out and the cashpot slowly shudders down the screen and makes it way into the bank

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:46 am

They swing more in the 10's of thousands methinks! If only you all knew.

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:51 am

I once catalogued every card I saw on a £500 Big Cash Poker, over a period of some hours. The aim? To see if it was a true representation of a deck of cards. The answer? Yes it was.

AMK · Post by **AMK** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:36 pm

But it's illegal what they have done. It can't make it's advertised 90% payout if the pots stick.

anonamouse · Post by **anonamouse** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:02 pm

that's what i keep saying, then i get shot down in flames...

if corals machine takings increase 1%, but machine profits increase 6%, alarm bells ring. If it is a TRUE 90% then even a mathematical fuckhead can work out that their profits should increase a bit less than 6%. (0.1% to be precise)

my local servo's makes £12,000 a week off their £500's, i don't think they pay out £100,000 to get that.

mr lugsy · Post by **mr lugsy** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:27 pm

i don't mean to be patronising but do you understand that people just recycle what comes out till they go skint?

for example: you start with 100 pounds , play it through for 90, and again for 81 etc......till you end up broke or bail out.

the machine is still paying 90% , the extra profit is made from people not walking till they bust, and clever programming to keep people playing longer so the house edge can erode them.

Roll_With_It_Russ · Post by **Roll_With_It_Russ** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:14 pm

Hence why you see so many of the good games from a couple of years back that would regular pay £50+ and often a win in the hundreds, now they come in far more often and can pay as little as 5x stake.

Cops and robbers safe cracker you to do the safes free spins, getting them and you was looking to get £50+ but often a few hundred, the robbers 3,4 of them you would get anything upto 200 on a good set or as least 30x stake,(getting 5 was the jackpot)... not you can get £10/£12 even on £2 stake, doing that means the money is reinvested and the profits go up.

Whats happened is its enable the operator to get period upon period of profit growth.... thing is the player is experiencing less winning sessions and this is meaning the players are drying up round here, generally I hear shops are busy as ever, but not seeing myself.

Scratch cards are another good example, loads of 1/2 pound prizes, which are not really prizes but money back, which often just gets spent on another card... with only 65% return to players that is a house edge that takes hold very quickly.

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:36 pm

I videoed myself playing one in the services for maybe 2 hours. When I got home I put all the cards I'd seen into a Spreadsheet.

I then analysed the distribution of cards during both the main game, and the Hilo. There was a slight bias to the hi and low cards during the gamble, but not huge. And the appearance of all cards in the deck over the period I analysed seemed to be almost totally uniform.

I was obviously investigating to see if there was any way of spotting when they were ready. I did the test twice, once collecting wins and playing normally; and once forcing for £500 and collecting nothing.

An expensive waste of time. However, other computer based experiments have been more successful.

ob · Post by ob » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:40 am

The gamble is blatently rigging the cards on those big cash poker/find the lady style games! Look at how it will go 4 lower 3 alot then ooh 3 higher 2, what a suprise!!! Also note how 3 goes hi 2 WAY MORE than 1/13 of the time!!!!

And you'd expect it to be the case anyhow the game is compensated not random!!

streakseims · Post by **streakseims** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:45 am

eastangliapro

unless your buddylove......soon as it gets to 499.xx the rainbow riches leprachaun come flying across the screen doing a karate kick/roundhouse knocking the jackpot king out and the cashpot slowly shudders down the screen and makes it way into the bank

this not happened to anyone else before? I must be lucky then

Noels Beard · Post by **Noels Beard** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:51 am

ob wrote:The gamble is blatently rigging the cards on those big cash poker/find the lady style games! Look at how it will go 4 lower 3 alot then ooh 3 higher 2, what a suprise!!! Also note how 3 goes hi 2 WAY MORE than 1/13 of the time!!!!

And you'd expect it to be the case anyhow the game is compensated not random!!

Yes. Some very salient points ob. You may be interested to note that although all Project games purport to be compensated, none meet their target %. They are off by thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands in some cases. In the case where a gamble is involved, and I can think of more than one game here, it is easily possible to be over £3000 behind before a Jackpot is paid. The speed with which some of their games play makes them the crack cocaine of £500 fruits.

And I well know that the gamble on all Project Pokers is not random. We are not talking about this. If I had told you that it only ever shows the 7 of Diamonds in the opening hand once you load the game up, when it was due to break the £25 block, would that be useful? Yes it would. My investigation was to find these winnits of information.

I would resent the assumption that we are all spoon fed information. I try to spend as much time as possible researching new machines in the hope of unearthing something. When you do it's well worth it.

ob · Post by ob » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:48 pm

I'd bet the drift if always below the percentage rather than over, that's for sure. The 35 find the lady was well known for taking 300+ without jp and although yes wins are being collected and cycled that accounts to nowhere near 90%. Megabars or freespins also seemed to me to pay much Lower than 90%, it would be interesting to know what they are actually paying. Also yes although projects say compensated this concept is rather loose on them, they like to drift!!!