£500 Bookies slots

[Real Pro gamer]

Bent as a nine bob note

[Cf]

These things are computers they must be able to show money in and total wins paid out over a period of say 1 or 2 years, by then the two totals should be levelling out,I bet the payout is nowhere near 97%.
Is this why the engineers/maintenance men often reset the machines while they clean them, sneaky bookies nicking all the progressive pot money

Money in/Money out and Credits Played/Wins Paid will not be the same figure. Credits Played/Wins Paid will be at 97%. Money In/Money Out will be considerably lower.

It should be quite obvious why.

[harry2]

the email i sent last nite; i forwarded the ip address and the post which contained 20 weeks figures of the bookies shop payouts

"Dear Mr xxx

Thank you for your email

As I’m sure you are aware the most common game played on FOBT’s (or B2 machines as they are categorised) is Roulette. The game of roulette has a natural margin built into the game at 2.77% (single zero) as there are 36 possible outcomes giving a 35/1 chance of winning. However this is expressed over an infinite number of games and a 20 week period is not representative, not least because the figures shown do not refer to the different games played upon the machine, each of which has a slightly different average percentage.



Stephen Foster
Licensing Officer
Gambling Commission
4th Floor Victoria Square House Victoria Square Birmingham
B2

Sure there are 37 slots on a roulette table.

[Real Pro gamer]

I've seen these figures on other types of machines and from what I've seen it just doesn't add up, that's why I didn't say money in/money out

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

These things are computers they must be able to show money in and total wins paid out over a period of say 1 or 2 years, by then the two totals should be levelling out,I bet the payout is nowhere near 97%.
Is this why the engineers/maintenance men often reset the machines while they clean them, sneaky bookies nicking all the progressive pot money

Ofcourse its no where near 97%, none of the slot games pay anywhere near that... if the weight of play was equally divided betweem 97% B2 games and 90%averaged over stakes B3 games the payout of prizes per the amount staked would come in at around 93-94%.

If you wager £100 across the games you will lost 6+% on average... wager the £94 you won back, end up with £88.36, wager it again returns would be £83.06, wager it again returns £73.07, wager it again returns £73.38, wager it again returns £68.98, £64.84, £60.95, £57.29, £53.85, £50.61....

so £100 wager over 11 times the player with average luck will of lost half their money, but the games have paid averaging 94%, the house has only paid out 50% though.

start adding in factors that many players play larger when chasing, do not play optimum stratgies, stake and prize restrictions... the house edge works its magic to grind a player down.

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

These things are computers they must be able to show money in and total wins paid out over a period of say 1 or 2 years, by then the two totals should be levelling out,I bet the payout is nowhere near 97%.
Is this why the engineers/maintenance men often reset the machines while they clean them, sneaky bookies nicking all the progressive pot money

the progressive pot money is not stolen, it would appear from the graphics that is it so, but when the pots max the game play does not change, its all caluculated into the house edge... just because the odds are the same to win a progressive prize pots don't have to be won...

By your reasoning "the money is stolen", why not set up an arcade, get lots of pot based games in, once they hit £500... "steal this money" remove the machine and put a new one in its place.

simply does not work like that.

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

Sure there are 37 slots on a roulette table.

i'm sure thats not their official responce, but more likely a poorly trained admin monkey replying to enquiries.

does seem strange they do not have standardised informative material to do with such queries.

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

The average loss is higher because you can't beat a supercomputer.

sent another mail requesting freedom of information release.

i don't know how much you've played roulette on an FOBT, i hate to admit it but i've played them quite a bit.


i'm glad to have someone far cleverer than me on the forum to show me where i've been going wrong all these years.

supercomputer, don't talk such rubbish...

its very simple... http://www.agame.com/game/top-view-roulette.html

[anonamouse]

lets cruise in the De Lorean back to December 30th 2002;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2615001.stm

supercomputer, don't talk such rubbish...

Global Draw;

"We are a leading gaming provider operating more than 18,000 machines
and systems in over 4000 venues worldwide including the UK, Europe,
Latin America and the Caribbean."

"Random numbers can be generated centrally and transmitted to all terminals
within the site by the EPOS computer, or generated within the terminals as required"


i don't think they send a "random number" to 18,000 machines off their ipad.

[anonamouse]

from Global Draw site:

http://www.theglobaldraw.com/Roulette.html

"The Global Draw have a multidisciplinary team of individuals including game designers,
mathematicians, artists, musicians and programmers, designing market leading game content
for The Global Draw system. Solutions include Fixed Odds Games, number events, spinning reels
content and card and dice styled games."


it's got to be some Guinness World Records of fucking idiot mathematicians to pick a number between 0 and 36???


or are they secretly clever enough to fool the Gambling commission and the vast majority of punters that it's just a random number between 0 and 36, regardless of what has been staked across 18,000 machines? 18,000 x £500 is a lot of money. 18,000 x £7.20 is a lot less money. that's what employing mathematicians does to your £10,000 a shop weekly rake.

[anonamouse]

so i mailed the CEO of The Global Draw, Ian Timmis...

"After discussion with the Gambling Commission, they advised me that;

“Category B2 machines are tested and approved by an independent test house as already stated. Additionally, both the operator of the betting shop and the machine supplier must be licensed by the Commission.”

Could you please advise me if these reports available under the freedom of information act?


Yours Sincerely,

xxxx"


one way or another, we will all know in the end, how random is random?

[mr lugsy]

where is ascii man when you need him?

[Real Pro gamer]

the progressive pot money is not stolen, it would appear from the graphics that is it so, but when the pots max the game play does not change, its all caluculated into the house edge... just because the odds are the same to win a progressive prize pots don't have to be won...

By your reasoning "the money is stolen", why not set up an arcade, get lots of pot based games in, once they hit £500... "steal this money" remove the machine and put a new one in its place.

simply does not work like that.

Yes it does

[Roll_With_It_Russ]

Yes it does, I'm afraid I've got to disagree,I don't want to delve into it in more detail as I'd rather not let people know who I am on this site, but I could prove it if I wanted to, so please just take my word for it!

so you are saying they reset the pots to make more money? i'd say the lose money if anything, simply because locally once a £500 pot has been taken the game get played less. If anything it in the interest to keep a pot there for the players it attracts.

[anonamouse]

my local arcade installed santa lep in place of POG, all pots reset. played £100 thru for max win of a £4 well. wtf is that all about?

it ain't rocket science to carry the pot value thru to an upgrade, they're just a draw card anyway. they never account for a full screen or Lep jackpot.

Lep jackpot? had it once in all these years ffs.