Do you support yourself solely from fruit machines?

redlinesman · Post by **redlinesman** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:57 pm

Fair enougth, apologies for any offence caused.

trayhop123 · Post by **trayhop123** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:01 pm

cheers m8 ,,,,,,, appreciated .......

now then , next topic

should all seaside pikey chav sharks be hanged ??? :P

AMK · Post by **AMK** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:33 pm

This has been a great debate. Why are seaside players so bad tray? Leave them be with their 10p GGs :P

maverick69 · Post by **maverick69** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:50 am

If i ever go to the seaside arcades i always cover my machine, those little fuckers learn fast. theres a cluey and cops and robbers i used to go in for and they were shouting u got the feature board take it take it. Im like fuck off now or i will end u. they left then lol.

-alcahol tax, look how much we drink when out playin, all those pints we waste down toilets to aviod fire, fags ( i dont smoke but 80 per cent of players do i would hazard at).

- petrol i did 70,000 miles last year.

we pay everything else anyone else does except income tax. big deal its a bonus. we dont get sick pay do we, if we get ill we dont earn money. its swings and roundabouts. Moto services dont say, he didnt come in this week and skill that electro we better send him a cheque bcos he dindt come in bcos he had the flu.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:19 am

On the council tax point earlier, it only contributes towards local amenities.
The majority of things you benefit from come from the £600 Billion central tax budget.

Sir Ratholer, I'm afraid you're starting to show a bit of Naivety with your "each to their own" view. We are stronger by cooperation than by trying to do everything ourselves. That's just a fact of life. A law of nature even.

Fruitypie, please don't be on my side.
I think I'm making good points and your support doesn't help

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:29 am

The thing is, pete, you make a statement and then don't back it up with any clear reasoning, merely your opinion.

Next debate:- why should people who earn more money pay a higher rate of income tax?

How is it fair that you are punished for bettering yourself? In a society where income tax is forced, it would be much fairer for everyone to pay the same percentage, and then more people would work harder and be motivated to self improve.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:07 am

please tell me what statements you feel I should back up with some clear reasoning and I'll provide some.

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:00 am

pokerpete wrote: Sir Ratholer, I'm afraid you're starting to show a bit of Naivety with your "each to their own" view. We are stronger by cooperation than by trying to do everything ourselves. That's just a fact of life. A law of nature even.

this - just a wishy washy opinion with no facts, despite your assertion. It's a mere opinion and if you want to convince others of your arguments, facts showing how one society is better than another would be a good start.

To be honest, I think you're a bit of a communist, and as eastern Europe proved, communism doesn't work.

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:12 pm

I'm certainly left of centre, but that's socialism, not communism.
I feel the UK is basically a slightly left of centre country at it's heart anyway.

My point on cooperation is not a political one, it's an anthropological one.
It's a well established fact that our ancestors and our primate cousins are social animals and work as a team for the greater good.

Ca$h is King · Post by **Ca$h is King** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:29 pm

pokerpete wrote:I'm certainly left of centre, but that's socialism, not communism.
I feel the UK is basically a slightly left of centre country at it's heart anyway.

My point on cooperation is not a political one, it's an anthropological one.
It's a well established fact that our ancestors and our primate cousins are social animals and work as a team for the greater good.

lol what a lame post... that aint a well established fact; sounds like you read it off a fortune cookie

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:26 am

you dispute that primative man were social animals?
Or that other primates are demonstratively so?

blackmogu · Post by **blackmogu** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:59 am

pokerpete wrote:you dispute that primative man were social animals?
Or that other primates are demonstratively so?

Unfortunately you are trying to reason with the subjects of your statement

sir ratholer · Post by **sir ratholer** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:17 am

I'm not sure they'd be social animals when they had no food and ended up eating each other!

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:18 am

blackmogu wrote:
pokerpete wrote:you dispute that primative man were social animals?
Or that other primates are demonstratively so?
Unfortunately you are trying to reason with the subjects of your statement

Had to read that four times before I got it

pokerpete · Post by **pokerpete** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:24 am

sir ratholer wrote:I'm not sure they'd be social animals when they had no food and ended up eating each other!

That's kind of where out points of view meet.
We have a system now where the people on the fringes can take without contributing.

While I believe we are hard wired to be cooperative, our system doesn't insist on equal effort from all.
Our ancestors would cut the dead weight (expulsion from the group rather than canibalism) where as we continue to support them.

As I said, I'm a moderate socialist, so I would never wish for a system where we left people to fend for themselves, but I do think being a fully functioning, contributing member of society is a good thing and anyone who isn't is letting themselves down.

I think I've said my piece on the subject so I'm going to ease off, as I think there's a danger of some mild trolling developing and I don't want to feed any