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    Roulette "geniuses"

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ky-way-9065818

    Casino hustlers find sneaky way of ALWAYS 'winning' on roulette machine - and walk off with 14,000
    A pair of casino hustlers found a way of guaranteeing they won on a roulette machine and bagged 14,000 before they were caught, a court heard.

    Ali Baglan, 31, of Elmleaze, Longlevens, Gloucester, and Hasan Gilgil, 30, of Scott Avenue, Podsmead, Gloucester, placed just two bets each in the Bristol casino.
    But their 'winnings' weren't gained through skill or good fortune - the pair had simply lifted the lid off an automatic roulette machine and placed the ball where they wanted it to go.
    The ruse was spotted when staff checked the club's CCTV footage.

    At Gloucester crown court the two men pleaded guilty to theft from 'a meter or automatic machine' at the casino on 18th January this year.


    Caighli Taylor, prosecuting, said both men were members of the casino and went there together at 6am.

    At 9.43am Gilgil placed a 38 bet on number 3 on a roulette wheel and won 1,368. At the same time Baglan wagered 650 on the same number and won 13,050, she said.

    She said: "Three minutes later Gilgil placed a bet of 382.50 on number 29 and won 1,800. At the same time, Baglan placed 40 on the same number and won 270.

    "Mr Baglan could be seen on the casino CCTV to be standing in front of one other person who was in the vicinity at the time - clearly to block his view of Mr Gilgil placing his bet.

    "When the CCTV was later checked Gilgil could be seen lifting the glass cover of the roulette wheel as the ball was about to stop spinning and placing it on the number they had chosen."

    In total, she said, they 'won' 16,492-50. That was reduced to 13,730 by the time they checked out with the cashier - Gilgil walked away with 1,370 and Baglan 12,400.

    Thanks to the CCTV and a computerised system to monitor the roulette wheels the pair's theft was discovered and they were easily arrested because they left their fingerprints and the club had their details in its membership records, said Ms Taylor.

    None of the cash had been recovered, added the prosecutor.


    Gilgil had made seven previous court appearances for motoring and public disorder offences and had served a 28 week jail term but Baglan was of previous good character, she said.

    Steve Young, for Baglan, said he came to the Uk from Turkey in 2003 and is married with three young children. He runs a takeaway on Bristol road, Gloucester, with three employees and if jailed the business would collapse and it would be 'catastrophic' for his family, Mr Young said.

    Both defendants had gambling habits, he told the court. On the day of the offence, he said, Gilgil rang Baglan telling him he was at the casino and had found a way of tricking it out of money.


    He added: "I don't blame the casino, of course, but there was an incredible lack of supervision and monitoring and the manager simply let them walk out without checking after such a big win."

    Gilgil did not have a lawyer to represent him but had written a letter to the court. A probation officer, Jo Hall, also interviewed him at court and spoke for him.

    She said: "He has a fish and chip shop which he has run for the last seven months. He has two young children.

    "He is in a low mood as he has recently been in custody because he did not attend an earlier hearing and he was arrested
    At Gloucester crown court the two men pleaded guilty to theft from 'a meter or automatic machine' at the casino on 18th January this year.

    Gilgil had made seven previous court appearances for motoring and public disorder offences and had served a 28 week jail term but Baglan was of previous good character, she said.

    Steve Young, for Baglan, said he came to the Uk from Turkey in 2003 and is married with three young children. He runs a takeaway on Bristol road, Gloucester, with three employees and if jailed the business would collapse and it would be 'catastrophic' for his family, Mr Young said.

    Both defendants had gambling habits, he told the court. On the day of the offence, he said, Gilgil rang Baglan telling him he was at the casino and had found a way of tricking it out of money.


    He added: "I don't blame the casino, of course, but there was an incredible lack of supervision and monitoring and the manager simply let them walk out without checking after such a big win."

    Gilgil did not have a lawyer to represent him but had written a letter to the court. A probation officer, Jo Hall, also interviewed him at court and spoke for him.

    She said: "He has a fish and chip shop which he has run for the last seven months. He has two young children.

    "He is in a low mood as he has recently been in custody because he did not attend an earlier hearing and he was arrested."



    Jailing them for 16 months each the judge, Recorder Michael Vere-Hodge QC, said "This was a classic joint enterprise. Each of you had a part to play.

    "There was a level of planning and expertise and dexterity which enabled you to exploit what seems to have been a failure in the security of the casino, allowing you to take a good deal of money.

    "To suspend sentence would not, in my view, reflect in any way the seriousness of this planned and dexterous theft."
    Last edited by harry2; 18-10-2016 at 02:25 PM. Reason: Duplication
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    Wonder if its still possible?

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    16 months seems unbelievably harsh!

    Was there any notices that said that the glass should not be unscrewed?

    "The ball landed in the wrong number mate, I put it in the right one..."

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    and why only take 16k!!

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    "Three minutes later Gilgil placed a bet of 382.50 on number 29 and won 1,800. At the same time, Baglan placed 40 on the same number and won 270."

    Well I don't think much to those odds.

    One of the guys involved seemed to have previous form with the criminal justice system, the other no mention. It is still a harsh sentence though, probablŷ due to the Judge being in the same masonic sect as the casino owner. A salutary lesson that the law doesn't protect gamblers but will certainly hurt them if they step out of line.

    It still works, but there's now a notice saying 'people lifting the glass and putting the ball in the winning number will be asked to leave' so time to dig the fake ID and sausages out. I'll see you there at 6am sharp tomorrow topcat.

    As for why they took what they took, I guess they deemed it a suitably large amount of cash to be worth risking trouble for, but not so large it'd flag up as suspicious on the casino's system.
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    This is one of a fair few things that fall into the category of.... probably would work but would require very big kahunas to try!

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    What sorts of odds are they paying out on these numbers? They deserved to be robbed by the sounds of things!

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    Splits and corner bets ?
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    I was always told there was a gang of dodgy Turks doing the pub poker machines. I think I met them once but all I know is they were doing something illegal!

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    The thing I don't understand with random games is you're always going to lose in the end, as your payback, ultimately, is going to be what you started with less the house edge - so unless you're trying to hit one big 'take the money and run' style win, you may as well just set fire to 3% or 4% of your money every week.

    I mean, I played online slots quite extensively for a period of time, but that was when there were still interesting bonuses to be played where you could try and tip things in your favour and I had some decent results, but now your starter for ten on wagering requirements seems to be 35xB which is massively EV- so why even bother trying?

    So then you think well why not play bonus free? And of course the answer to that is you will inevitably lose over time, it doesn't matter what the game is, be it roulette or poker or slots or whatever, you're going to lose to the house edge over time - guaranteed. (Assuming the games are fair and random, the casino will get its profit at the expense of its players.)

    That's what's uniquely different about AWPs of course, because despite their shitty percentages they are compensated and will as such respond to what the player does or doesn't do, which is why I still find them interesting.

    Doubtless it's quite exciting to be betting 3000 per spin as that chap is there on roulette, but all I'd be thinking is that given enough time and a large enough spin sample, each of those 3000 spins will cost me 81*, as a mathematical certainty, and what's the fucking point in that?


    * The 2.7% house edge on European roulette.
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    Not my posting, the posting of chop, but it was very well put so here it is. Here.
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    Bearing in mind the over crowding in prisons, the tightening of gov spending etc blah. Why not have some form of "wheel of fortune" / roulette in court. For most sentences the offender can buy some of the board to cover the worst hazards e.g. Community service, section 26 (mental), commitment to Army etc.
    Now on an "average" kind of blag, say a drunken fight with a cripel . Your man can gamble 200 hours community with options such as suspended sentence, 2 years in parkhurst being the "0"
    Dunno basically the wheel can be rigged based on prison occupancy an public opinion / the weather

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