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    FOBT, Fixed or Not

    Fixed Odds Betting Terminals
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    As we all know they were introduced in 2004 and have become the reason why bookmakers are still a high street business as they represent the majority of their profits. Bookmakers admittedly would not make the profit margins necessary to survive with racing events alone.
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    In many forums you notice the same question is asked time and time again. The question is “Is FOBT roulette random”. Despite bookmakers claiming they are many arguments have been put forward as to why they are not. Here as some examples:
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    1.***** Why do the machines seem to generate red numbers if I am chasing black, 19-36 when I am chasing 1-18 and so on?
    2.***** With some machines you can tell you have won or lost immediately after you have pressed the button - applies to the majority of FOBT simulation computer programmes.
    3.***** Why does it seem to pay more in the afternoon/evenings and less in the mornings?
    4.***** Why single number repetitions are so common is such a short history of numbers. I.e. number 18 appearing four times in ten spins.
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    Now all bookmakers advertise that their FOBT roulette is random, the same claim is made for every program within it. So that would be roulette, blackjack, fruit machines etc. You can find the exact wording they use by going onto the help screen and selecting the help option. They claim the machines are random because they are connected via the internet to a single point (some sort of communal server) which its sole purpose is to generate random events. In the case of roulette it is random numbers. The server if I can call it that generates a random event every second. This means once you have placed your bets using the touch screen interface and have pressed the button then you are dealt a number at random and the machine deciphers weather the random number was winner or a looser in that particular spin.**** *
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    This means that the number history is simply there for aesthetic purposes because at most you can only spin once every 3 - 4 seconds therefore the number history is not indicative of anything. You can argue that when bearing in mind the above then getting 20 red numbers in a row does not sound that implausible.* You could also argue that each event is absolutely random and chasing a red, black. 1-18, 19-36 etc is pointless as you are not getting the accumulative odds against and the number(s) you seek, because the may have been generated up 3 - 4 time at the very least in between your spins.
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    Despite the above I carried out a sequence of tests recently where I attempted to try the most common systems which help maximise odds of winning in a conventional roulette machines. One of which was the following:
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    Red/Black/High Low Chase
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    Placing 0.20p on each six number split leaving zero blank. Therefore, limiting the exposure to zero coming up from £2, when placing £1 on red and black, to £1.20. With an £300 balance I span until I reached a situation where there was three sequential reds, black, evens, odds etc.
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    Then followed the following wager structure.
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    1.**** £1
    2.**** £2
    3.**** £4
    4.**** £8
    5.**** £16
    6.**** £32
    7.**** £64
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    Anyone knows that odds for the same event to occur several consecutive times in a series of independent plays of a game are very low. This applies for any game of chance, including roulette. For clarity lets suppose we have a situation was there has been three black in a row and you decide to start placing structured wagers on red (see above structure). The idea here is that over a period of time you should maintain a decent profit on the basis that getting ten blacks in a row is a very unlikely possibility.
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    The odds of a black number appearing at anytime are 18/37 which is roughly 0.49% in decimal odds, basically almost 50/50. You cannot use this system is casinos because they have large outside betting limits (£25min and £500 table limit). The odds of getting ten blacks in a row are therefore 0.49% to the power of ten (which is a lot) or 0.07%. Mathematically speaking you will get ten black in ten spins only 0.07% of the time.
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    Conclusion
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    The outcome was somewhat predictable. Although I am aware of the fact the number history is not indicative of anything. I noted some very interesting patters appear. For example when spinning the roulette for zero probability - meaning chasing the three sequence event i.e. three black, red, odds etc the number history appeared quite normal and varied. However, once I got the desired sequence and started chasing a specific colour, odd, evens etc I noted the number history changed considerably by generating predominantly red numbers when I was chasing black and black when I was chasing red, and etc.
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    I tired this method in various machines within a single shop and in various other shops and the outcome was always the same. Although I didn’t lose much I could see the machine recognised I was playing a system and I had to stop because losing seemed a guarantee. That fact is a machine which is truly random cannot recognise betting patterns. *
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    I did also note a very strange event. Feel free to try this for yourselves. Bearing in mind the machines operate from a single communal number generator then if you spin two machines simultaneously you should expect the same outcome every time. For example if one machine spins zero as long as the adjacent machine was spun simultaneously you should also expect zero.** **
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    Sure enough when I tried it with a zero profitability spin (£1 on black and red in each machine), both machines span the same numbers time after time barring the odd time I didn’t manage to spin them simultaneously. However, when I tried spinning the same two machines for profit (one with £1 on black and the other with £1 on red) the numbers were always different, predominantly resulting in a loss on both machines. Again I tried this on many machines and in many shops and the outcome was the same.
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    In conclusion how can bookmakers possibly state the machines are random when the clearly are not. This is clear misinformation and they should not be able to do this.
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    pretty much everything you wrote is wrong.

    F- please try to understand the subject matter,

    your logic and workings are flawed.

    try again if you wish, but you dont seem to understand your own explanations

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    A good read all the same

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    I don't think they land the same number anymore, got knows why. They used to, I've even had 2 decent l8's come in and both land 8 at the same time

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    Re: FOBT, Fixed or Not

    Quote Originally Posted by Valdrin89
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    1.***** Why do the machines seem to generate red numbers if I am chasing black, 19-36 when I am chasing 1-18 and so on?
    because your brain is an imperfect pattern seeking machine and it's producing a false conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valdrin89
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    2.***** With some machines you can tell you have won or lost immediately after you have pressed the button - applies to the majority of FOBT simulation computer programmes.
    Because althought the result is random, the visual representation of it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valdrin89
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    3.***** Why does it seem to pay more in the afternoon/evenings and less in the mornings?
    because your brain is an imperfect pattern seeking machine and it's producing a false conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valdrin89
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    4.***** Why single number repetitions are so common is such a short history of numbers. I.e. number 18 appearing four times in ten spins.
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    If that never happened, it'd be evidence that it wasn't random.


    Whenever you use the word "seem" you're showing that you're using your imperfect pattern seeking machine and accepting the false conclusions it's giving you.

    if you're determined to study it properly, go on any online casino and play the roulettes there for free.
    Don't worry about the betting, just put 0.01 on 0 or something.
    you probably get something like 1000.00.
    you'll need to play that off at 0.01 a spin
    record each number you get on a spread sheet.

    You'll never really be able to generate a proper sample manually.
    Statistitions working on these games won't even look at anything under 100 Million, and for proper statistical proof their looking at 10 Billion or even 100 Bilion game runs.

    However, even playing 10,000 games manually, you'll start to see some amazing events.

    I think the longest recorded streak of a colour ever recorded was in Monte Carlo, when the wheel spun in black 26 consecutive times.

    Research Gamblers Fallacy.

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    Id always say it is but not 100 sure. The roullette on tv channels however is fixed, 100%, is that common knowledge ??, I recorded a spin with sky plus were the ball is sitting in a number the wheel has all but stopped and it is literally pulled to a number three away, its hilarious. Quite clearly the wheel is magnetised.

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    dont talk shite.. why would they need to do that? lol paranoid as fuck some of you lot

    they are the house, they have an advantage, why fuck it up by breaking their gambling regs requirements..

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    Re: FOBT, Fixed or Not

    Quote Originally Posted by Valdrin89
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    As we all know they were introduced in 2004[/b]
    Think you will find it was 2001.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyder
    dont talk shite.. why would they need to do that? lol paranoid as fuck some of you lot

    they are the house, they have an advantage, why fuck it up by breaking their gambling regs requirements..
    Well I respect your judgement on this as I've not been on this forum a long time but its certainly been long enough to see as far as talking shite goes, you sir, should have a degree on it. There is no possible way that what I witnessed and can repeatedly witness is anything but the wheel being controlled, the wheel has all but stopped, the ball has ceased motion completely and then moves two places. It's not even up for debate, I don't know about bookies or casinos but the televised roulette channels are fixed.

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    For all those that think it is fixed, can you answer the following question.

    Why risk your gambling licence to fix a guaranteed stream of income ?
    Roulette free since December 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harry2
    For all those that think it is fixed, can you answer the following question.

    Why risk your gambling licence to fix a guaranteed stream of income ?
    I assure you if you had the video I had there would be no doubt, a static ball moves from 28 to 29.

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    Put the vid on Youtube and provide a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott
    Put the vid on Youtube and provide a link?
    I might if I can be Arsed mate, I've never uploaded to YouTube and all that shite tbh, I'm not desperate for people to believe or agree with me, and I'm no physicist but most of the spins on the tv roulette are clearly unnatural. Im genuinely bemused that people think its not rigged, I'm not lumping fobt or any other form in with that though, as I have no have foundation to suggest either way.

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    lol fucktard..

    the amount of people who will have lost massive money on these tv shows and complained to somewhere, the roulette wheel will be checked time and time again..

    there is no way they magnetise anything.

    i may talk shit sometimes, but at least im not a retard.

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